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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2009 - 10:40pm

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    Situation update for Swine Flu in Ukraine

The WHO has been sent to Ukraine over a week ago and has sent samples to labs but still no gene sequencing released.  These are links to Dr. Nimans site with todays updates. 

 

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11090905/Ukraine_Million_Top.html

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11090906/Ukraine_WHO_SS.html

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11090904/Ukraine_HCW_2K.html

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11090903/Ukraine_Lungs.html

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11090907/Belarus_Dr_Death.html

Note that it is likely there are deaths that have not yet been reported.   I think it is also important to keep in mind that it took roughly 6 weeks for the current strain of H1N1 to circle the globe.  As noted in the reports, it’s becoming increasingly important for WHO to release the sequencing out of Ukraine.

  • Mon, Nov 09, 2009 - 11:16pm

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    Re: Situation update for Swine Flu in Ukraine

Seems that this should be part of the ongoing swine flu thread, which contains much useful information about prevention and treatment of swine flu:  And the Swine Flu Won’t Go Away

  • Mon, Nov 09, 2009 - 11:57pm

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    Re: Situation update for Swine Flu in Ukraine

I decided to create a new post because this is a seperate situation that seems to be a bit urgent and certainly evolving also being that the other Swine Flu thread is quit long I thought it might be time to open a new and more current thread.  I was thinking I would dedicate this thread more specifically to the situation in the Ukraine.

  • Tue, Nov 10, 2009 - 12:50pm

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    Re: Situation update for Swine Flu in Ukraine

I had brought this up on the other swine flu thread but since there is much discussion that there may be a second infectious agent involved maybe we can run both threads for now until we know for sure it is swine flu (even per more conservative entities like h5n1 crofsblog.com have stated that it is not clear it is all swine flu).  WHO has been really dragging its feet in sharing the genetic sequences, Dr. Niman seems to think that it indicates some worsening of the virus through mutation.  Funny how this has not hit MSM at all.  WHO got there last Monday, after an hour or so basically stated “everything’s fine” then stayed and kept testing and evaluating. They have had access to genetic sequences long enough to give us all the details and are still holding back. 

Something not right with this. 

 

 

 

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    Re: Situation update for Swine Flu in Ukraine

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Something not right with this. 

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You can say that again . . .

  • Tue, Nov 10, 2009 - 04:39pm

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    Re: Situation update for Swine Flu in Ukraine

I’ve been posting on CM about Swine Flu since spring but for the most part, people have not been all that interested so I’ve just stuck to the sites that are interested.  I even hesitated in posting the Ukraine situation but I think it may be a wake up call and another window to do some prepping just like our current financial situation in the US.  There are many ways to prepare for our future and our health in regard to Swine Flu, I have believed since spring, is one of them.

I’ll be traveling tomorrow but I’ll try to keep up on the latest in Ukraine and post the links.

 

BTW, where the hell is spell check on this site?  I suk no, sux no, suck at spelling!Frown

  • Tue, Nov 10, 2009 - 05:50pm

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    Recombinomics . . .

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I’ve been posting on CM about Swine Flu since spring but for the most part, people have not been all that interested so I’ve just stuck to the sites that are interested.  I even hesitated in posting the Ukraine situation but I think it may be a wake up call and another window to do some prepping just like our current financial situation in the US.  There are many ways to prepare for our future and our health in regard to Swine Flu, I have believed since spring, is one of them.

I’ll be traveling tomorrow but I’ll try to keep up on the latest in Ukraine and post the links.

 

BTW, where the hell is spell check on this site?  I suk no, sux no, suck at spelling!Frown

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Yes, it is remarkably silent here regarding the pandemic situation . . . I think that most folks are sitting back and watching, but they are certainly not disinterested, as I get a lot of hits on my blog regarding the pandemic situation.  It is the most active topic, there.

With martial law declared in the Ukraine, it may be very difficult to get reliable information out of there . . . There seems to be a complete blackout on this in the MSM . . . I agree . . . best to be prepared, regardless.  What harm is there in having plans for this sort of scenario?  The fed, state, & local levels drill for it . . . Why shouldn’t we prepare on an individual level, too?  I, for one, don’t plan on relying on FEMA to save me . . . Tongue out

I’ve also been posting information from the Recombinomics site, but it’s important to remember that they’re entwined in the vaccine development  business, and may therefore be compromised.  I would counsel using their information judiciously . . . Potential conflicts of interest, eh?  Their name is odd . . . recombine + economics = recombinomics . . . hmmm . . . .

Here’s one of their major areas:

Monitoring of viral recombination can be used to enhance vaccine development.  Viruses use recombination to escape immunological or drug targeting. 

 The recombination follows well defined rules which can be used to monitor the efficacy of new or modified vaccines.  The rules can also be used to predict new variants, so vaccines can be developed before viruses emerge.  The rules of recombination appear to apply to all viruses so viral vaccine strategies can be broadly applied.

It seems to me that the ability to predict recombination by such “well defined rules” might be useful in predicting what would happen if say, active live swine flu and avian flu were combined in solution, as in the “oops” batch that Baxter shipped last February.  Recombinomics’ services might be useful in predicting the outcome of such a mishap, and in developing the vaccine to counteract it.  Indeed, if, as some suggest, the Baxter debacle was not accidental, but rather intentional, in the hope of creating a recombined virus with the communicability of swine flu and the lethality of avian flu, Recombinomic’s services would fit right into the strategy . . .

Yep, I think I’ll limit my credulity on that site . . .

 

  • Tue, Nov 10, 2009 - 06:12pm

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    Re: Recombinomics . . .

Thank you for bringing that to light Cloudfire.  Do you have any links to alternative sites that are reputable and up to date?  Also, what is you blog address?

Niman has stated that he has been experiencing a second SF infection and he is taking tamiflu so I’ve just assumed he’s more of a mainstream kind of scientist who takes the vaccine and the antivirials because he believes in them.  You have to take just about anything with a grain of salt anyway so I just glean and then think for myself.

There’s an interesting discussion over at LATOC right now regarding strep infections and the onset of SF about a week after.  This was my experience with my daughter (exactly) and news reports of these underlying bacterial infections becoming dominant during a SF infection and becoming fatal is a trend we’re starting to pick up on.  There seems to be a connection with the strep and SF shortly after.  the thinking is that there was a mild SF infection with subsequint strep then SF reinfection following.  You’ll find the discussion under breaking news and then the Swine Flu thread.

 

Again, where the hell is spell check?  Anyone?  I’m beginning to feel a  little moronic for not seeing it, help!

  • Tue, Nov 10, 2009 - 11:08pm

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    Re: Recombinomics . . .

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Thank you for bringing that to light Cloudfire.  Do you have any links to alternative sites that are reputable and up to date?  Also, what is you blog address?

Niman has stated that he has been experiencing a second SF infection and he is taking tamiflu so I’ve just assumed he’s more of a mainstream kind of scientist who takes the vaccine and the antivirials because he believes in them.  You have to take just about anything with a grain of salt anyway so I just glean and then think for myself.

There’s an interesting discussion over at LATOC right now regarding strep infections and the onset of SF about a week after.  This was my experience with my daughter (exactly) and news reports of these underlying bacterial infections becoming dominant during a SF infection and becoming fatal is a trend we’re starting to pick up on.  There seems to be a connection with the strep and SF shortly after.  the thinking is that there was a mild SF infection with subsequint strep then SF reinfection following.  You’ll find the discussion under breaking news and then the Swine Flu thread.

 

Again, where the hell is spell check?  Anyone?  I’m beginning to feel a  little moronic for not seeing it, help!

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Hi, Rocketgirl;

My blog is at CloudfireOnFire.com.  There you’ll find a description of my experience with an influenza epidemic in 2000 (to the best of my recollection).  In fact, the sickest patients during that epidemic had a secondary strep infection along with the flu.  I’d estimate that about 50% of the ones with both influenza and strep pneumonia died.  It seems to be a pretty lethal combo.  They’d go into cytokine storm with the usual acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), septic shock, and multisystem organ failure.  So, although that certainly doesn’t happen every flu season, it’s not unheard of. 

On my blog, you can also find excellent resources on how to prevent and treat influenza, as well as how to treat vaccine exposure.  I personally like the rationale behind Dr. Russell Blaylock’s protocols.  You’ll find them under “Alternative Medicine — Swine Flu”.  I like his protocols because he takes the potential for cytokine storm into account, and therefore avoids overrevving the immune system in his protocols for preventing swine flu infection.  While a brilliant neurosurgeon, he is also a practical fellow . . . His interventions for mitigating the possible side effects of vaccine exposure get right to the heart of the autoimmune reaction.  For some folks, his advice could be life saving.

 

  • Wed, Nov 11, 2009 - 06:30pm

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    Re: Situation update for Swine Flu in Ukraine

Hello Cloudfire,

I know that you often link to your blog where more info is posted.  My request is that you post more of the swine flu stuff here as some of us are banned from your blog. 

Larry

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