SITE POSTING GUIDELINES & RULES

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  • Mon, Dec 01, 2008 - 07:15pm

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    joe bender

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    Re: FORUM GUIDELINES AND RULES

some things should go without saying but i guess you have to say this.

in groups i have been in we call them agreements not rules. this empowers each individual to be responsible rather than having to treat them as children in kindergarten .

so chris i agree to abide by your rules as i appreciate this forum and  99% of the posts

  • Mon, Dec 01, 2008 - 08:28pm

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    mainecooncat

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    Re: FORUM GUIDELINES AND RULES

Hi Chris and staff,

Thanks for taking the time to remind people about this issue.

My thoughts are that there should be coherency guidelines — though I realize this is quite subjective — or that all posters should at least strive for coherency.

Meaning: Posts should be written in complete sentences, have received at least cursory editing (there’s a spell checker built-in), and have things like paragraphs breaks for the organization of longer thoughts and ideas.

Posters should also be explicitly clear when they are quoting someone else in their posts. Often times I see a link, then some kind of break (maybe a few lines or a dash or an ellipsis or some other improperly used punctuation mark), then some writing, then another link with no indication what’s what.

People should also include the reason for linking to material. Often times it’s for documentation during the presentation of an argument, however, I’d say most of the links here are articles or websites that the poster presumably wants others to read. If this is the case one should say that. Say something like, "I found this article interesting because it addresses the talk we had yesterday regarding…" Something like that. For my tastes at least, too often posts are incoherent, and I don’t always know the exact purpose of the information someone is presenting.

Apologize in advance for my high nitpicking coefficient.

 

  • Mon, Dec 01, 2008 - 08:55pm

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    mainecooncat

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Perhaps this isn’t the forum to make this recommendation/suggestion, but I think the site should also — as much as its readers would like I guess — have a better balance of discussion between the Three E’s.

I think the most stimulating discussions on here have to do with the economy. And that’s great.

When it comes to the environment though, I think the discussion has been somewhat of a failure. There are a lot of people who get very worked up basically attacking one another regarding whether climate change/global warming is a hoax or not. Very counterproductive, as many environmental issues not related to CC/GW don’t even get addressed because of this. Community-member Swittes addressed this rather eloquently I feel a few days ago.

I think the topic of energy could get dug deeper into as well. I’m not asking for some kind of super technical discussion like The Oil Drum website engages in, but an uptick in the depth of discussion is needed I feel to take things to the next level. A couple of weeks ago I posted a detailed and somewhat technical (in that it included some numbers and statistics) look at the ramifications of Mexico’s dwindling oil exports — something of incredible significance to the subjects studied on this website and to the United States energy situation — and I don’t believe a single person responded.

I say these things because I feel that this community and the content of the Crash Course can continue to grow and really become a unique and invaluable source of information to those first learning about these topics. And no doubt the numbers of those wanting to do so is only going to increase exponentially!

Just some thoughts.

  • Tue, Feb 03, 2009 - 07:38pm

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    Amanda V

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The forum is one of the most interesting and intelligent forums I have ever come across and I have been thrilled so see so much sharing of knowledge and ideas, brainstorming, sharing resources and information and just helping others out.

So many other forums are so full of mindless dribble I wouldn’t go near them with a barge pole.

Mainecooncat, it is very easy to put up a new forum topic on general discussions about some of the other issues you would like to see discussed.  If people don’t respond to well researched information with good statistics, it may be well out of their league to have a response.  After all these are very big problems we are talking about !! 

Chris did not discuss climate change but resource depletion, with respect to the environment.  However, I think climate change is just as important in terms of the changes it is going to bring to us on top of the issues Chris has already discussed.  Regardless, the bottom line is the same: the next 20 years is going to be very different from the last. 

  • Sat, Feb 07, 2009 - 01:59am

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    Gadfly

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Is "pre-banning" really a word?  I thought there was just "banning" and "permitting".

  • Fri, May 15, 2009 - 07:17pm

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I recently had a post deleted. My concern here is that economics and freedoms, both speech and politics go hand in hand. I don’t see how you can ignore one and not effect the others. Please, can some one enlighten me. As, always I am here to learn? As the economy continues to unravel, our freedoms continue to be under attack as well as our political points of view. I try and point this out in my postings. So I am posting here to let everyone know where I am coming from. I  have tried to stay away from any extreme radical thinking, in only bringing up things that I feel are effected by the economic downturn and the politics that are showing stresses in our liberty’s. These are sometimes contemporary and historic in nature. One has to have a perspective in order to see the whole picture. Trying to find the right balance.

 I know there are a whole lot smarter folks on here than I. Would love to hear some thoughts on the subject. Thanks, investorzzo

  • Thu, May 28, 2009 - 08:31pm

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New poster here. Hello. I’ve belonged to a couple of other forums, with Chris M, over the better part of a decade. It’s not so much what you say as how you say it. Just  pretend you’re auditioning for a Merchant Ivory film, while trying to get your ideas across, not Deadwood. Here’s a good example of what I’m trying to say:

[Ed. note:  Link to "Deadwood Pancakes" on youtube.  Profanity.]

 

 

 

  • Sun, May 31, 2009 - 12:39am

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New poster here. Hello. I’ve belonged to a couple of other forums, with Chris M, over the better part of a decade.

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Well, cool. I am starting a petition in here to make you the head moderator. Good luck!

  • Sat, Sep 12, 2009 - 08:01pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    SITE POSTING GUIDELINES & RULES

Site Posting Terms of Use


SITE MISSION

  1. Have the Crash Course viewed as widely as possible
  2. Increase collective understanding of the role that energy, the economy, and natural resources play in our future
  3. Move individuals towards personal and common responsibility for the future

GUIDING PRINCIPLES

Our goal for PeakProsperity.com is to draw attention to the important messages contained within in the Crash Course and its companion book, Prosper!. Through this website, we also seek to create a safe and welcoming place for people to discuss the implications of the "Three Es" in an intelligent and enlightened way.

Together, we will continue to hold this site to a higher standard than is usually found elsewhere on the Internet.  We will be civil with each other, respectful, thoughtful, and considerate. 

Anything that causes people to feel unwelcome or unsafe will be discouraged or removed, as will things that serve to detract from our high standard of intelligent discourse. Our mission is to engage, not to repel.

Posts must be data-rich, fact-based, and constructive, especially if they are critical.  We ask that all critical commentary be accompanied by thoughtful suggestions for improvement—or not offered at all. 


TERMS OF USE

We expect people to maintain the same level of civility in posting that a polite wedding guest would have at the reception table —before drinks are served.

We expect and require courteous interactions everywhere comments can be posted to the site. In an online community, social courtesies are observed, just as at a physical gathering.  One doesn't monopolize the conversation, pound the table about a single point until others' eyes glaze over, insult their host or their fellow guests, or spew patently offensive slurs.  Tactfulness is a reasonable expectation within a voluntary community.  

Please ask yourself these questions before making a post:

  1. Does my post constructively illuminate an issue or answer a specific question?
  2. If constructively critical, is it emotionally neutral and considerate? Does it offer specific, actionable solutions?
  3. If asking a question, is it a bona fide question that will lead to an increased understanding of the "Thee Es" and related topics?

Users should strive to post with integrity, accuracy and courtesy.  We expect that users will not abuse their anonymity by posting things that a polite individual would refrain from saying in person. 

We expect users to take reasonable care to make sure that their posts are accurate and always use verifiable facts to support an argument.  We expect users to do their best to offer constructive solutions to problems. And expect users to remember that this site is about strengthening our communities, not tearing them down or otherwise damaging them.


GUIDELINES & RULES

For posts that stray outside of our admittedly subjective boundary lines, we reserve the right to modify or remove any given post to conform to our definition of “acceptable posting.”

Posts may be edited or removed for any of the following:

  • Ad hominem: Personal attacks
  • Illegality: Posts which are in violation of any law or which openly advocate breaking the law
  • Error: Posts containing information known to be false
  • Infringement: Posts violating copyright laws
  • AbuseHateful, taunting, violent, or harassing posts
  • InvasionPosts that are invasive of personal privacy
  • Hijacking: Posts in blatant disregard of purpose for which a specific thread was created
  • Bloviating: Sucking up too much of the discussion with over-frequent/too long post or rants
  • Irrelevance: Posts that do not add enough (or anything at all) towards advancing the topic under discussion
  • Tone-Deafness: Ignoring corrective feedback from the site managers/moderators
  • Inappropriateness: Posts containing any language or material not suitable for all audiences. Or that would trigger a corporate firewall or cause responsible parents to block us out. This includes all profanity, sexism, racism, pornography, intolerance of any social/demographic/cultural group, etc.
  • Spam: Unsolicited and/or commercial advertisements

Here's a handy graphic.  Our hope at PP is to operate at the topmost level(s) of Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement, and avoid the lower ones completely:

Please be sure to always include a link to the source for any posted material.  A snippet and a link, please.  Do not post entire articles.  We respect copyright laws here.

No posting IN ALL CAPS!  This means titles, especially.  We view this as the equivalent of shouting.  We'll either replace the capital letters with lowercase letters, or we'll delete the post if that is too troublesome.

We really don’t want to remove anyone’s posts or censor anyone’s words, and it is a very rare event for us, but we need to make sure this community stays focused on the reasons we are here.  Please be responsible for your words, and do your best to ensure that none of your own posts ever need to be removed.

Thank you for your understanding.


OPERATING PROCEDURE

Sometimes we receive comments challenging the way we manage this site. 

We listen to such feedback and make changes if convinced by the logic. But that happens pretty rarely. Much more often, we and the reader end up "agreeing to disagree". 

In the spirit of being as completely transparent as possible about the "standard operating procedure" for discussion on this website, here's where we stand on some of the more common challenges we receive:

 

  • Triggered Beliefs: Each of hold beliefs that we feel strongly about; that's part of being human. Also part of being human is being vulnerable to having one or more of those beliefs triggered in a way that causes us to become emotionally-charged if a core belief is somehow threatened. When that happens, our limbic system often takes over our thinking and actions, pushing rationality aside. On this site, we expect each of us to self-monitor our emotional state and to take some time away from the keyboard if we experience ourselves becoming "too heated" in response to what we're reading. A common pitfall we observe is that a triggered reader will insist that others not only respect — but share — their belief, and if that fails, will often demonize those holding a different perspective. Beliefs are subjective, and highly personal. You are absolutely entitled to hold whatever beliefs you want, but you are not permitted here to project them onto others. That's why we insist on data-driven discussion here, using empirical evidence and facts. If you persist in pushing a pet belief here without fact-based validation, it's highly likely your posts will be moderated.
  • Demanding Change: We'll sometimes get feedback — often from someone with a triggered belief (see bullet above) — that insists we start, or stop, doing something they feel passionately about. When at a musical performance, do you interrupt the pianist from your seat in the audience and holler "No! No! Play it this way instead". We didn't think so. But every so often, someone will feel strongly that we should be doing things differently, and publicly demand that we change how we write, or the views we hold, or how we approach getting our message out. As mentioned earlier, we listen to all constructive feedback — and if convinced, make revisions. But we are resolute that we do not "owe" anybody the right to change our behavior simply because they want us to. We have spent years cultivating our content and this community in accordance to our own personal principles and integrity.  It has worked well for us and the millions of readers that are attracted to this website each year. We aren't going to jeopardize that, or violate our own integrity, no matter how loudly someone may shout for us to.
  • Making Accusations: On rare occasions, someone may imply or outright declare we're guilty of some offense. We respect the right of each individual to have their own opinions. We don't require that anyone needs to agree with us, or even like us, for that matter. But as should be crystal clear by now, our integrity is very important to us. If you're going to call it into question, it better be backed up with documented evidence. Hey, everyone makes mistakes or can express themselves inartfully at times. If we've erred, we'll set things right. But our tolerance for unsupported finger-pointing is pretty much zero.
  • Paid Content: Every so often we'll get criticized for charging for the subscription to our premium content. Look, we offer over 90% of the content produced on this site to the public for free. That content production, plus the design, operation, maintenance, and continued improvement of PeakProsperity.com and its related services (seminars, speaking events, book writing, etc) is costly — and requires the full-time dedication of Chris & Adam. It's how they make their livelihood. So to demand that their deepest and most directive insights be offered free-of-charge sounds to them as impudent as demanding free service from your carpenter, doctor or accountant. If you find value in this site, it's the paid content model that makes all of it (the public material included) possible. If you're really dying to read an article or two, just subscribe for a single month. It's only $30 and during that month you can read every article ever written here. And if you're not willing to part with $30, you don't have much credibility to stand on if demanding we forgo our entire income.

If any of the above strikes you as unacceptable given your personal principles, priorities or desires from this site, we won't begrudge you at all for taking time away from us (in either the short or long term). We understand that, despite trying to be as inclusive as possible, we can't be all things to all people. We respect that our approach may not work for everyone and we in no way want to be guilty of trying to pressure an uncomfortable reader to remain.


CONSEQUENCES

Consequences for violating the forum rules may include a warning, editing or removal of the offending material, or suspension of posting privileges, potentially up to and including account deactivation and/or permanent banning from posting on the site. 

Moderators have the complete authority to act in what they see as the site's best interests.  The line is not always crisp, and the job is not easy.  They deserve your support.


OFF-LIMIT TOPICS

Regretfully, through much trial and even more error, we've determined that there are several topics that seem to escape the ability of otherwise careful and considerate people to discuss pleasantly in an online forum: 

  • Religion
  • Abortion
  • Politics (from a partisan standpoint or otherwise seen as pushing an agenda) 

These topics are not allowed, and any threads or posts containing them will be promptly removed.  We wish it could be otherwise, but our hard-earned experience is that these topics are not worth the trouble. We appreciate your understanding.


YOUR HELP IS NEEDED!

We can’t be everywhere at once.  If you encounter a post that crosses a line, just click on the "alert moderator" button at the bottom of the post to let us know immediately.  Please be sure to provide us with specific information about why you are flagging the post so that we can take action if it is warranted.  We appreciate your help.

These Terms Of Use are updated from time to time, as we do our best to improve them from the learnings of our interactions with readers. Your continued use of PeakProsperity.com comes with the responsibility to review these periodically and comply with the updated material.

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