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  • Thu, Feb 05, 2009 - 09:45am



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    Simpol policy forums

Hi all,

I posted this in General forum, but I think everyone ignored it because I’m not talking about guns and gold. There is space in my vision for a senario when TS doesn’t H the F, it could include working with the Simultaneous Policy Organisation to formulate interesting policies.


"Non-violence is a weapon of the strong" – Gandhi


“I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.”
Mahatma Gandhi Quote (Ghandi Quote)


Simpol is an
international organisation based on grass-roots policy formation. It is
free to sign up
and participate in policy discussion and any adopter of Simpol can
propose and help formulate policies within their forum.


I’d like to draw your attention to one particular policy which is
about land reform. It is called the Kin’s
Domains proposal. It has 4 seconders already and is looking
for 5 more to take it to the next round. read it here


What is a Kin’s Domain?


– What is a Kin’s Domain?

– A Kin’s Domain is a parcel of land for the permanent residence of a
family, one hectare (100 m x 100 m) in size, on which a family can
build its house, plant an ancestral tree, its own forest, orchard and
garden, and construct a pond. The perimeter of a Kin’s Domain is
enclosed by a hedge of forest plants – cedar, coniferous and deciduous
trees, and shrubs.

The Kin’s Domain represents the solution to many problems involving the
family. It is a comfortable residence, as well as a worthy space for
living, which is suitable for everyone, where there is enough space for
man, animals, and plants alike. It is an organization of living space
according to the principle of "everything at hand." Thus, for the
owners of Kin’s Domains, there is no longer the need to go to the
cellar according to a schedule, to go "to the ends of the earth" to get
to a country house, to grow potatoes in a separate spot, go out of town
to breathe the forest air or find a water hole to bathe in.

A kin’s settlement is a group of closely situated kin’s domains, whose
owners have become united in a general partnership for the joint
construction of a kin’s settlement, for the creation of the appropriate
infrastructure for administrative, educational, medical, cultural,
sporting, and other social establishments and institutions.

– How do ecological kin’s settlements differ from existing built-up areas?

– Financially the most expensive part of modern cottage settlements are
centralized life-support systems – kilometres of trenches, pipes,
wires, hundreds of poles for electrical power lines, etc. The main
feature of ecovillages consisting of Kin’s Domains is their autonomy.
Autonomy in obtaining electricity may be provided by solar batteries,
mini-wind generators and mini-hydraulic turbine generators, "star
batteries," and other newer developments in the area of power supply.

Houses may be heated by stoves providing economical catalytic heating,
a Russian stove, gas installations. In order to keep the air of
ecovillages clean, it is necessary to exclude the use of coal.

In addition, there exist energy conserving technologies for the
construction of residences and alternative construction materials.

The fitting out of an autonomous water supply system is planned on the
parcel, consisting of mutually replenishing and exchanging sources of
water from wells, bore-holes, ponds, springs.

– Why is a hedge needed around the perimeter of the parcel?

– A question of no small importance that is not resolved in city
conditions and even in the modern cottage settlement is the proximity
of neighbors and the frequently common fence with them. In the
conditions of a Kin’s Domain, it is necessary to plan for the presence
of roads and paths around each of the four sides of a parcel. Moreover,
the size of the paths is not less than three to four metres, the size
of the road is two or three times greater. Where there is no common
fence with a neighbor, there are no boundary disputes.

A hedge, where trees and shrubs preserve their natural appearance, does
not require special care in the future. Its width may be from three to
ten metres, its height from 15 to 20 metres. Only in such circumstances
are neighbors "not seen and not heard." A hedge is able to provide
protection not only from the wind, dust, and extraneous odors, but also
from noise. And tall forest trees and flowering shrubs do not provoke
irritation from the surrounding neighbors, as would, for example, a
high stone fence.

A small forest planted with one’s own hands will over time provide
mushrooms, berries, nuts, it will serve as a home for birds and
animals, who have their own role to play in the ecosystem of the
domain. If a forest is growing nearby, then the harvest of potatoes
will increase by 25 to 30%, the harvest of fruits, from 45 to 50%, and
grasses, by 100%.

The Kin’s Domain is, in fact, a forest glade built by the members of a
family, a type of "garden in the forest," where everything exists that
is necessary for the life and nutrition of a family.

You can view the proposal and register yourself as a seconder


The idea is taken from the Ringing cedar of Russia series of books by Vladimir Megre


Thanks for reading



  • Thu, Feb 05, 2009 - 01:29pm



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People here may have ignored it out of politeness.

Essentially today it is unworkable in so many ways I hardly know where to begin………



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only one will suffice ………….6.5 billion+ and rising by 70 mil a year.

  • Thu, Feb 05, 2009 - 07:14pm



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There is currently, and according to Wikipedia (via 3.1 billion hectares of arable land in the world.

The total world population as it stands is 6.7 billion.

The proposal does not aim to give every individual an hectare, but every family.

The average is 2 and a half children per family.

27.4% of the population are under 14, that is 1.8bill children

1.8 / 2.5 = 0.72

On average then, there will be 0.72bill families each with a mother and a father = 2.16Bill people sharing
0.72bill hectares.

That leaves 4.54bill people after 2.38bill hectares.

lets assume that the elderly (over 65s) will not be living alone, after
all it takes a fair amount of physical labour to run a hectare of
woodland/permaculture/aquaculture, lets house them, for arguments sake,
with the young families.

we can deduct 0.5bill off our claimants and we are left with approximately 4.04bill people after 2.38bill hecatres.

the remaining population of 15-64 year old, approx. half are male and
female. If we marry them up, we have 2.02bill people after 2.38bill
hectares, with a leeway of 0.36bill hectares to account for the
widowers, spinsters, batchelors, widows and the elderly who can manage
their own land.

With land and food security not an issue any more it is reasonable to expect the birth rate to drop to 2 children per family.

There are also opportunities for increasing the amount of arable land, especially in desert regions.

  • Thu, Feb 05, 2009 - 07:42pm



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Sounds great Crash but this would require massive planning for re-distribution of wealth and relinquishment of power. The model assumes a world without greed and unfortunately this world has too many egos to feed.

Perhaps this can be done experimentally on a small scale like a commune of sorts? If only we had another planet where we could start over again from scratch.

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    Kin’s Domains update


Free Government Land for Food-Gardens: UN Petitioned Online

Online, calling themselves "the marketplace of free ideas ™", is
making a powerful democratic tool available to anyone who wants to be
serious about their grassroots powers to make a difference.

example in point is one of the latest submittals, entitled "Family-Plot
Gardens for a Sustainable Planet," addressed to His Excellency, Ban
Ki-moon, UN Secretary-General, with requests to the UN General Assembly
to help create sustainable small family-plot sized food-gardens all
over the world by way of member nations dedicating unused, free
government land for such purposes.

petition "sparked an enormous amount of excitement," says Dr. Regina
Jensen, editor of Space of Love Magazine, who drafted the document in
behalf of Ringing Cedars of Russia, a world-wide "green" movement
originating from Russia. The signers of this petition are convinced
that powerful, positive personal, social as well as ecological change
can be affected through the development of eco-communities world-wide.
They support the belief that peaceful life and self-sufficiency can be
created by developing hectare-size (2 1/2 acres) family food-gardens, a
size large enough to feed a family and therewith protect them from
survival-stress and harm under difficult economic circumstances. The
petition also claims that historically, such food-producing
family-plots have stabilized a region, state or entire countries during
economic and other disturbances.

comments from signers of the petition are: "We are all one. What
affects one affects us all. It is time to move into cooperation and
real relationship with the earth and each other." "This is the path for
a bright future for our children and their children." "This is
essential to recovery from the global economic crisis and climate
change." "We are responsible for how we treat the Earth and feed
ourselves." "This is the most important thing we can do to save our
species upon this planet." People are encouraged to participate by
signing at: or check with and


Also, support the Simpol Kin’s domains proposal here: 

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