Should I Stay or Should I Go?
The question I have been asking myself for while now, is Should I stay where I have built a home, garden, have a good doctor, and (a few) friends, or should I relocate to a place with less mandates and restrictions?
I live in Hawaii, and my partner owns his house here. We have fortified our capital as much as possible over the last 2 years, but I worry about supply chain problems, travel restrictions, etc.
Everywhere I used to think of as an appealing place to live has made some of the strictest policies, so I don’t have anyplace familiar to go. We would have to take a blind leap to a new place, which seems daunting, but the thought of being trapped here is untenable.
Any feedback would be welcome!
I am grappling with same issue – except for me it is from Jersey to Eastern Pennsylvania.
My worries are vaccine mandates, unsustainable population densities once the SHTF and the general level of governmental dysfunction.
Hi ShadowMoonFlower —
I’m on Maui, and feel pretty strongly that despite the goofballs running the local gov, Hawai’i will be a good place to ride this out. 12-month growing season offsets the supply chain issues. It’s all about growing calories (kalo, sweet potatoes, ulu, beans) as opposed to salad stuff like tomatoes and greens. Nothing wrong with salad (I eat some every meal, basically) but you can’t survive on greens alone.
I take comfort from the fact that if we get more isolated and the supply chain becomes an issue, local gov will wither away because they won’t be taking care of peoples’ needs. They’ll get ignored, and the tax base that supports them will croak, and voila, no more mandates.
Right now I am busy helping my sweetheart put in another garden, and generally ramping up our resilience. I don’t know which island you’re on, but unless it’s Oahu, I think this is a pretty sweet spot. Even Oahu, done right, I think is going to be better than Houston or Jacksonville or wherever.
Community is the big key! Join whatever version your island has of the HFUU, or Maui Ohana Gardens, or whatever.
A hui ho! — Sager
I have a post on here somewhere about the same same same conundrum.
I have a homestead, 20 acres, could be self sufficient, in a county that has demonstrated that it actually can produce enough food to feed itself.
It’s in Washington State. Whomp whomp whomp. Our governor is intent on keeping up the most Restricty McRestrictions and not just with covid, but this is something I saw coming years ago with other things as well.
I also have some concerns about what I see coming out of the “city side” of the state (Seattle isn’t just Seattle anymore, it’s basically one huge conglomerate city from Arlington all the way to Tacoma and the sheer number of voters out of that area control the entire state) and the fact that I can see civil war coming potentially and if that DOES happen I don’t think this would be a good place to be for anyone who isn’t of the liberal/progressive mindset.
I have decided to leave as soon as I can. Unfortunately there are legal reasons I have to stay for now, but I am slowly preparing to get out of here and am hoping to be able to leave next year. Ironically, if restrictions get worse that may be the thing I need to be able to leave (I can’t leave because I am divorced and my children’s father lives here, but if vaccines are mandated for school kids I have told him that I will move and he is okay with that).
I’ve spent several years and driven thousands of miles to check out various states and have settled upon Missouri as my landing spot. Freedoms are on point, good growing season, cheaper real estate than here, I have some friends/community there, and it will be an easier place to be self sufficient than here.
I’m considering the same (should I stay or should I go) but from the opposite perspective. That is, I have a 20 acre farm and relatively self-sustainable, but am looking at giving it up and moving back to the city. Quite frankly, the economic doom and gloomers have been wrong for 12 years, and if their record means anything, they will be wrong for another 12 years. It’s time to get back to reality and live life mostly normal again.
I hear you. My state(VT) has gone full bore leftists and Covidians. Nearly everyone is vaxed here; even 40% of the 5-11’s already! I don’t belong here anymore. It’s sad but I think “they” have won here. So now we need to figure out a better state to live in. Start over again somewhere else.
anitak, hang in there buddy. [Admin – rest removed for being intentionally divisive and unconstructive]
I feel for some of you in those real deep 100% vaccinated and compliant locals- that will be a hard go. But if you do stay, get your finances in order. Pay off everything. Do some smart estate planning. ( it is harder now than ever to protect it )
There are two things going on right now. One is there is a true mass exodus from cities to rural. ( at least for those who can afford to do it. ) Second there is movement towards self-employment. This is why you are see so many job openings. I am hearing this from large employers in large 5M plus metros. So, there is a movement towards self-sufficiency. No matter where you live, get your stuff right. Dont be a debt slave and slave to the corporations. Find a way to trim it down. Survive on less. If it requires a move, my advice is to move to red.
I’m at the same crossroads …been in the oregon all my life love it, … for me it comes down to even though i have a lot here “land/family/friends”, How quickly could it be taken away from me? the question was answered 2 weeks ago, now I’m likely losing my job Jan 4th after a 21 year career due to my medical choice and will likely be unemployable here for most new jobs here after that.. then what? what will that take next? how long can i hold out? .. There are a few states left where I won’t have that issue at least so far…. so I if lose my job in a few weeks, I selling off everything and I’m leaving to Florida. Is it scary? yeah, will I have a major life change yeah…live in a smaller place yeah , have a lower paying job career yeah … but ….. Its likely only going to get worse… and just think if it doesn’t get worse and get better you can always move back to Hawaii…sure you spent some money and may not get you old place back but hey it it goes back to the old Haaii you can go home again.. but if it does get worse you may no be able to leave…ever…… Think not? look at Austria or Australia today.. its the same program just further along in the timeline.. Its personal choice but you asked for perspectives…
I am in the same boat looking to escape Washington State. Complicating my search and analysis of alternatives is that I’m wary of potential unknown second order effects that are possible as a function of States that resist the mandates. Depending on how things progress, its possible that the squeezing of rogue States by the Feds, economically and potentially with force will focus hardship there and certainly there is is a risk of political coups, (election irregularities) where governance of a ‘safe’ state could suddenly shift with concurrent vaccine policy shifts. Ultimately it might be better to adapt underground in Blue State.
That said, I still think all things being equal it’s better to me surrounded by higher density of people that are not brainwashed, and I’m ornery enough to move just on principle and probably will.