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  • Thu, Jul 16, 2009 - 02:31pm

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    Re: Shedlock on Jones

Hi rowmat,

I was thinking about this before reading what you wrote, but your post really drove it home for me: the weirder reality gets the more legitimate the ideas of AJ become.

As for the conspiracy meme within our culture over the last twenty years or so, the most important thing to remember is that perceptions regarding them are relative. (Oh my god, I’m a relativist!) This point is especially important for the inhabitants of this website because we’re supposedly trying to reach a critical mass of understanding that will spawn a tipping point.

But often we sit around here happy that at least we know the difference between real conspiracies and concocted ones, forgetting all along that the vast majority of people in the United States feel very convinced that this website is a bunch of hogwash and filled with secular rapturists. I don’t mean to offend anyone by saying this or to belittle our efforts here and the ones we are implementing in our own personal, non-cyber lives, but it is quite simply the cold, hard, chunk-of-granite truth.

It seems Chris has really latched himself to Peak Oil (which of course he should because it will be the dominant theme of the next quarter-century) but this is a tactical risk if attempting to reach the maximum audience because of its controversy and conspiratorial overtones.  

  • Thu, Jul 16, 2009 - 02:38pm

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[quote=mainecooncat]

Just out of curiosity, JAG, what stupid decisions would you have made based upon Jones’ advice — he’s not really a financial advisor, right? 

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My stupid decisions wouldn’t come from following his advice, they would come from the frustration and anger that results from internalizing his content. His whole MO is to generate an emotional attachment to his show, as can be witnessed by his content and delivery. For me personally, emotion is my enemy in trying to navigate our unknown future. For the more emotionally-mature listener, this may not be a problem.

He is a smart guy, and does offer some good advice as you have pointed out. 

  • Thu, Jul 16, 2009 - 02:40pm

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    More on Jones…

Jones has been singing the same tune for about the past fifteen years and has been regarded by many as a conspiracy theorist and even a crackpot. When I first heard him a few years back I found him somewhat "in yer face" and loud… well he still is.

Jones is quite a mixed bag and I don’t personally like his style all that much.

But as things have unfolded over the past couple of years more and more of what he has been trumpeting about is actually beginning to materialise.

For years he was warning of…

1. An imploding economy – CHECK!

2. The virtual takeover of government by the bankers – CHECK!

3. The loss of constitutional civil liberties – CHECK! (ie Patriot Act / Homeland Security Act)

4. The collapse of the dollar – APPEARS TO BE HEADING THAT WAY

5. A new global currency – APPEARS TO BE HEADING THAT WAY

6. A centralised global world bank – The IMF seems to be trying?

7. A one world government – Refer to ‘6’ (A government of bankers?… Well, before you say that’s nuts who’s really calling the shots in Washington? Those ‘supposedly’ representing ‘we the people’ or the bankers?)

8. A manufactured pandemic – SWINE FLU????

9. An emerging fascist style government resulting in the internment of much of the population in FEMA camps – ???? (This seems over the top but if large scale social unrest and civil disobedience eventually occur due to further economic deterioration, then what?)

10. Eugenics/population control – ???? (Refer to various inferences made by Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller concerning global overpopulation – You will find them on the net)

Well that’s probably enough for now or this thread will be relegated to the CT section!

BUT… on the other side he is a peak oil denialist and definitely doesn’t believe in global warming but says Wall Street is going to reap billions out of carbon trading (which I have no doubt they will ie. Goldman Sachs is already getting ready to inflate the Carbon Trading Bubble!)

  • Thu, Jul 16, 2009 - 02:54pm

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[quote=rowmat]

Jones has been singing the same tune for about the past fifteen years and has been regarded by many as a conspiracy theorist and even a crackpot. When I first heard him a few years back I found him somewhat "in yer face" and loud… well he still is.

Jones is quite a mixed bag and I don’t personally like his style all that much.

But as things have unfolded over the past couple of years more and more of what he has been trumpeting about is actually beginning to materialise.

For years he was warning of…

1. An imploding economy – CHECK!

2. The virtual takeover of government by the bankers – CHECK!

3. The loss of constitutional civil liberties – CHECK! (ie Patriot Act / Homeland Security Act)

4. The collapse of the dollar – APPEARS TO BE HEADING THAT WAY

5. A new global currency – APPEARS TO BE HEADING THAT WAY

6. A centralised global world bank – The IMF seems to be trying?

7. A one world government – Refer to ‘6’ (A government of bankers?… Well, before you say that’s nuts who’s really calling the shots in Washington? Those ‘supposedly’ representing ‘we the people’ or the bankers?)

8. A manufactured pandemic – SWINE FLU????

9. An emerging fascist style government resulting in the internment of much of the population in FEMA camps – ???? (This seems over the top but if large scale social unrest and civil disobedience eventually occur due to further economic deterioration, then what?)

10. Eugenics/population control – ???? (Refer to various inferences made by Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller concerning global overpopulation – You will find them on the net)

Well that’s probably enough for now or this thread will be relegated to the CT section!

BUT… on the other side he is a peak oil denialist and definitely doesn’t believe in global warming but says Wall Street is going to reap billions out of carbon trading (which I have no doubt they will ie. Goldman Sachs is already getting ready to inflate the Carbon Trading Bubble!)

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Anyone that can’t see these things as reality isn’t listening/watching/thinking.  Now, whether they’re planned or not, THAT’S where I think JAG goes his own way…..which is fine, it works for him.  It doesn’t for me.  Cheers!

  • Thu, Jul 16, 2009 - 03:50pm

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Oh yeah… I first heard the term ‘New World Order’ from Jones about three years ago.

Then I noticed everytime anyone in the independant media uttered "New World Order" someone in the MSM would accuse them of being a conspiracy theorist whackjob.

Then I saw ‘Poppy Bush’ use the term while he was addressing the UN in around 1991.

Now every second politician under the sun appears to be uttering "New World Order"  to convince us, so it seems, that something better on the horizon is coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xFleGrsl1Y

All I can say is beware of politicians bearing gifts!!

What I want to know is just what exactly the ‘New World Order’ is going to be?

Do you think someone will spell it out before it is unleashed upon us?… or will getting an answer be like ‘Auditing the Fed’?

In others words… "We could tell you… but if we did, we’d have to shoot you!"

  • Thu, Jul 16, 2009 - 04:17pm

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Is it still a conspiracy if it’s not a secret?

I don’t see where as Alex Jones is doing anything other than making money for himself, and ruining credibility for folks like Ron Paul.
Just my .02.

Aaron

  • Thu, Jul 16, 2009 - 05:03pm

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Aaron,

How can you say that when Paul is a guest on AJ’s show quite often.  Doesn’t make sense.

  • Thu, Jul 16, 2009 - 06:03pm

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I don’t follow AJ’s stuff but I’m interested in hearing what he has to say about what kind of resistance there might be to this NWO (Builderberg et al). I can understand the there is a group of elites with their own (and possibly sinister) agendas but I’m particularly interested in where the emerging superpowers (China/Russia/India/Brazil) fit into this.

Where are the other players in The Great Game of geopolitics?

Does anybody know what AJ thinks or does anyone have their own theories?

Larry: you made a great post about Pipelinistan etc and had some excellent commentary. I’d love to hear and read more.

 

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[quote=mainecooncat]

Hi Greg,

I noticed that Mish seemed very animated for this segment. Maybe he was told to whoop it up for the AJ audience, I don’t know. I’m kind of in the minority in that I find Mish pretty boring. I don’t get or read any kind of newsletter he produces but I’ve always found his writing to be average to below average and his posts to be thin on real analysis — he just posts mainstream stories with bare, almost note-like comments. I never come away from a Mish piece with that revelation-type feeling. For my tastes, he’s also a bit too vested in his position and is given to purely emotional attacks on people and positions. That said, as you mentioned, he seems quite emphatic about a dollar collapse/deval.

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Maine

I was thinking exactly the same thing about Mish playing to AJ’s audience (We’re probably right!). As for finding him boring, I’m not so sure you’re in the minority on that. A lot of people, myself included would probably agree. Certainly he’s nowhere near as entertaining as Peter Schiff for example. But in their written exchanges, I thought Mish clearly carried the day. (Although I thought his later gratuitous smack down was unfortunate.) Certainly Chris Martenson, for example is a lot easier to read. But to be fair, where Chris puts up maybe one or two very well prepared and thought out posts in a week, Mish just sort of churns stuff out every day, often even multiple posts. Sometimes I wonder how he gets anything else done!

I certainly don’t think Mish is a great communicator and he may not be all that an original thinker either, but it seems like he’s got very good instincts. It seems to me, in some very tricky uncharted waters, he’s been making a lot of good calls. That’s why I always want to know what he’s thinking.

Greg

  • Thu, Jul 16, 2009 - 08:41pm

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    Re: Shedlock on Jones

 Excuse me for jumping in on the conversation fellows, but I just wanted to add .02.

First, I would have to agree with Greg.  "I strongly get the feeling Alex Jones starts out with a theory (usually a conspiracy theory!) and then just looks for ways to confirm it. That’s fine, as long as you’re aware he’s probably never an impartial observer."

Secondly, having spent some years in broadcasting, and a few years stint with a "talk show" of my own, I know that all these guys, LImbaugh, Hartman and the rest, need to keep stirring things in order to keep their audience.  We often would take just the opposite stance, just to try to get folks emotionally stirred up.  I didn’t care if they were with me, or against me, as long as the stayed connected.

 I’ve watched Alex off and on for a few years, and I would have to say he’s darned good at hyping stories in a way to keep folks listening.  Not that its necessarily bad, but as Greg also says "As long as we’re aware…." of what he’s doing.  AND, as rowmat points out, he does get it right a lot of the time.

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