SARS-CoV-2 mass vaccination: Urgent questions on vaccine safety (Must Read)

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  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 06:00am

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    intheor

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    SARS-CoV-2 mass vaccination: Urgent questions on vaccine safety (Must Read)

Look,

This is the way I see this one.

In a nut shell.

Can the vaccine cause more severe covid disease in the future?

Possible,but unlikely

Covid is like HIV,in fact,covid has HIV type inserts,in it.

Do the Mrna HIV drugs cause HIV to become more virulent?

No.

The whole point of the vaccine is to protect oneself from a VERY bad case of Covid,(One needing hospitalization).

It does this quite well.

(At least the Mrna vaccines)

Just like the HIV infected,once given the Mrna drugs,the disease is reduced to a smaller version of itself,or even put into complete remission.

Allowing the HIV,infected ,to live a life that would not be allowed ,if the drugs were not administered.

Are these drugs perfect?

No,exceptions to the rule do happen.

Nothing in life is perfect.

Covid Vaccine timeline for protection?

for how long?

8 months for sure,could be a lot longer.

(In at least 94% of people.)

THATS IF WE SLOW DOWN ITS MUTATING PROGRESSION!

Its not just a CNN narrative,its the science of this disease.

With the Mrna vaccines,

Your teaching your immune system a new trick to defeat this pathogen.

The unvaccinated ,do not have this advantage.

Will the disease,figure a way around this,possibly,but unlikely,if the disease is not allowed to mutate to long.

Time is everything here.

The longer it is allowed to continue circulating,the larger chance of this occuring.

Will the vaccine cause problems down the road for the vaccinated?

Unknown.

BUT.

We DO know that the HIV Mrna drugs are VERY well tolerated for about 5 years or more, now,possibly forever.

The Alternative to the vaccine?

Thinking your immune system can stand up to THIS present version of covid is like rolling the dice.

As we age,no matter what supplements you take ,ALL our immune systems degrade.

Its what happens,like it or not.

If your over say 50,and thinking this disease is going to spare you?

Good luck,

Imho,you are at severe risk,no matter how skinny or healthy you think you are.

Will covid get more deadly?

A good chance of this happening.

Its a multipronged disease.

imho,

It was designed to do this.

Will it effect all of us in the same severe way?

No.

All our immune systems differ in their original strengths.

Most of us older folks need the vaccines edge,to help us not end up with a severe case of this.

But..

Younger folks CAN and DO get severe cases.

Alarmingly,the number of these cases has been increasing as the disease mutates.

Imho,this will increase,going forward.

The problem with the “Personal choice ” thing?

What we know,is that the more cases of covid that are allowed to circulate,the greater chance this disease has to mutate into something else.

Like a cold,(and thats its delivery vehicle,among other things.)

Those thinking that once they get it,they are immune for life,are mistaken.

How many colds have you had in your life?

Think about it,Because of masks and distancing ,very few colds or flu going around this year,right?

That fact is KEY.

Covid19 is not that hard to defeat,in fact its quite simple,but,it takes ALL of us ,to achieve this.

Something that politics,(among other things),has screwed us with.

Working in unison.

That is how we control ,and defeat,this disease.

Imho,

ITS NOT JUST GOING TO DIE OUT.

Reducing,or making this disease RARE,in a country or community, (at least),should be ,  the end goal for all of us.

That will give us our economy and lives back.

Not completely (pre, covid like ) ,but almost.

Think about it,rural areas,thought they were immune,I often told folks in my travels,”just wait,it WILL get here”

and it did.

Masks,distancing,and now vaccines,are trying to cut the legs from under covid 19.

But it takes ALL of us,or at least 70% of us with the vaccine.

Imho the anti vaccers,are just pro longing our journey with covid,and possibly giving it a chance to become much more problematic.

Thanks, anti- vaccers.

From a family of hospital workers,we thank you guys.

Not really.

Yes,the treatments for covid(Ivermectin) should NEVER have been (shelved),but how do you get 70% of our country,if not the world ,vaccinated?

This is what it will take,to allow the other 30% of unvaccinated, to live without the fear of severe covid,stealthly,waiting, around,each corner.

HUGE,Thanks ,from me,goes out to all that have helped (SO FAR),in controlling this killer disease in our population.

The Mrna vaccines provide us with basicly,a stronger immune system for reducing the killer aspect,of this disease.

Taking the vaccines,and their small risk?

Personal choice?

Count me in ,Like an HIV patient,I WANT to improve my chances on living a bit longer.

Providing my kids and grand kids a life thats not like a zombie movie,is my goal.

A bad flu almost did me in 3 years ago.

I have not had a flu shot in 30 years.

NOW,

I WANT ….ANY….. CHANCE, A FLU VACCINE CAN GIVE ME ,(even 3% or less),(hopefully more then that).

Getting that close to death is something you do not forget.

Funny how an expierience like that,can get one to do an about face on something.

I get yearly flu shots now.

To each his own you may say?,but really,The way I see it?

There are folks that care about the others in this world,Imho,(THATS  PLEASING TO GOD)and there are folks that care about only themselves.

Unbelievably,putting political choice (among other things)in front of others lives.

When I do pass on,I want GOD to know,I DID care about the ones that could NOT get the vaccine for a multitude of health reasons.(Too old ,too frail,Cancer patients,folks that their immune systems are unable to handle the vaccine)I cared about those people,and I ,  DID,risk ,some  unknowns.

I believe, GOD,smiles on folks that put themselves second some times.

But thats me.

I did my part.

If I am mistaken,about any of this,

well,thats the way this one played out.

I hope my next life,will take note of it.

 

  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 06:16am   (Reply to #11)

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Do you have any citations for any of that?

I’m pretty sure the HIV insertion was found to be false pretty early on.  What makes you think there are HIV insertions?  Links to sources please!

  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 06:23am

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    intheor

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    SARS-CoV-2 mass vaccination: Urgent questions on vaccine safety (Must Read)

Dr. Faucci even mentioned ,this.

Several epidemiology papers confirm this.

My cut and paste is having problems ,I am working on fixing this.

I will find the PROOF,you need.

give me a bit.

  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 07:21am

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    Reply To: SARS-CoV-2 mass vaccination: Urgent questions on vaccine safety (Must Read)

Kathy,

Lymphopenia predicts disease severity of COVID-19: a descriptive and predictive study | Signal Transduction and Targeted Therapy (nature.com)

 

  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 07:25am

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    Intheor, you have previously been put on notice here by the boss….

This is a lie and you know it;

THATS IF WE SLOW DOWN ITS MUTATING PROGRESSION!

Its not just a CNN narrative,its the science of this disease.

With the Mrna vaccines,

Your teaching your immune system a new trick to defeat this pathogen.

The unvaccinated ,do not have this advantage.

Will the disease,figure a way around this,possibly,but unlikely,if the disease is not allowed to mutate to long.

Time is everything here.

The longer it is allowed to continue circulating,the larger chance of this occuring.

I have several times previously posted the example (Marek’s disease) of how human interventions, in this case of a leaky vaccine, CAUSE the evolutionary selection pressure that accelerates the advance of mutations.  The kinetics of variant formation are not fixed.. and yes, given enough time, they may come to pass in a non-vaxed population, but again, you have turned what we know on it’s head.  Come up with the paper that supports your thesis, or go shit in someone else’s bed.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0250780

Risk of rapid evolutionary escape from biomedical interventions targeting SARS-CoV-2 spike protein

Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche made the case in his recent interview with Bret Weinstein that forensic investigation of human samples from the “Spanish Flu” of 1918 shows no emergence or existence of variants.  Three waves and done… herd immunity.  No leaky vaccines or hard lockdowns.. thus no evolutionary selection pressure favoring variants.  NO VARIANTS.

  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 08:55am

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My research differs then yours,you call me a liar.?

Nice.

“THE WORLD IS FLAT!”

says you!

Why in the world would you believe that you can compare a flu,with Covid19?

Sars , Mers,Ebola,or HIV ,ect.was not a” 3 waves ,and BANG! Herd immunity.”

Please.Get real.Your comparisons are not EVEN close,to truth.

You are finding facts that support YOUR agenda.

Your Agenda, is that this is nothing more then a BAD flu.

Your efforts are found wanting,by the so many factors,its telling..behavior ,as well as,

in MY book.Damaging.

But thats just me.

I DO care about others,even though I have not met them personally,,or our political views do not match.

LOTS of  political folks in this country are hard at work, doing as  you do,to get THEIR wants  met,(as YOU are doing) by sweeping the death ,and focus  of this disease,under the rug.

IT will not stand the test of time,REAL TRUTH,always comes out in end.

Bank on it.

The notice you mention ,Imo,should be put on you,for making Severely,AT RISK folks,think this disease is  of no big concern.

When THESE FOLKS,are struggling in the I.C.U.,where the heck are  YOU?

With your righteous proclamations?

and your misguided research charts and graphs supporting your wants?

 

You are,reading and drawing comparisons that fit your flawed narrative,to convince folks “Nothing to see here!”    “Its nothing,just the silly dems trying to outwit you and take away your rights to this and that ,away from you !””Your smarter then that”,says you.

You most likely also  would  be shouting!,(I would not be surprised,)

“GO to church services”! ,MASKLESS,its O.K.!!”

and other such sage advice.

Do you want this as well?

Its  all good ,

Until these poor mislead folks, come home,after shaking a bunch of hands,in defiance of  the science of this disease, and  they infect their compromised  spouse,or daughter or son or parent,that could not  even make it to church,even if they wanted to go,or if it WAS safe.

How about,the beloved, wife with cancer,homebound,and almost no immune system.?How about her?

Will HER immune system handle the cough you picked up?or the handshake/hug?

Folks like you need come to  the I.C.U. ward and help remove the frickin bodies,of the mainly 50 something year olds,losing a full third of their lives!amongst the  large quantity of dead grandparents, that just wanted a FEW more years.!

Look into the eyes of the weeping family members,and tell them,”ITS Nothing”!”.My research claims it so!””Believe ME!”

“3 waves!,its over!”

Imho,You need to feel this first hand,SO YOU KNOW THE PAIN OF  THE LOSS,

Watch intently, as they say ,so long, to their beloved.

 

Please..

Start concerning yourself with someone OTHER,then yourself,for once.

This disease IS REAL,and its NOT going away without concerted efforts.

You disrespect, all the hard working folks in the hospitals,RISKING THEIR LIVES DAILY !,cleaning up the aftermath,of your misinformation.

Please sign,the (I WILL NOT NEED HOSPITAL I C U  SERVICES)(because I believe covid19 is a democrat hoax),

waver,

if there was one .There SHOULD BE,in my book.

I feel your views are contrary to helping America at this point.

I was following Dr.Martensons rules.

Calling me a LIAR in public for not agreeing with you is pretty bad rule breakage.

The conspiracy nature ,of some folks is out of hand.

Also,you need to(waver out )of ALL needed hospital care if you get a bad covid19 infection.

Hospital care that will run into the hundreds of thousands$$$ per patient in some.

Just because one does not die,does not mean they are all good.

A friend of ours,, had just such a case ,2 times in the ICU. 4 weeks total,

Perfect brain,before covid infection,,he is 55,he now has been diagnosed with early dimensia.

Covid related? you bet.

Forgetting the names of his kids.

But ,at least he is not dead,right?

 

 

 

  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 10:18am

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This was from March of 2020 and has nothing to do with HIV.

I’m sure there are lots of things that are predictive of poor Covid outcomes.  (Ex. vitamin D, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33236114/ ) See what I did there, I made a statement and then provided a citation supporting my assertion.

I am interested in more information on your Covid/HIV statement.  Do you have a recent citation for that?

 

  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 10:25am   (Reply to #16)

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Perfect  brain,before covid infection,,he is 55,he now has been diagnosed with early dimensia.

It may not be your place, but zinc https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33395417/  vitamin D and B-12 deficiencies https://youtu.be/OvMxJ6GRBNQ  are worth looking into.

  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 10:30am

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    Intheor, lying and making strawman arguments

My research differs then yours,you call me a liar.?

Again, you were told by Chris to put up, or be shut up.  You have not proffered any research that supports your views.  I have.  Yes, I am calling you out.

Secondly, I never said that the virus is not real, or not bad.  The mRNA vaccines are a form of elegant technology that we don’t yet know how to wield safely.  Given all of the problems that are apparent to anyone taking an objective, scientific view of these vaccines, and the complete lack of longer term safety data, my personal opinion is that there exists only a very narrow demographic of elderly people with various comorbidities that have a reasonable risk vs reward equation and that might want to consider the vaccine.  Then again, everyone, including the oldest people in nursing homes, have been saved by early intervention using antiviral cocktails based on HQC and Ivermectin, so I would not suggest ANYONE take these experimental vaccines given availability of therapeutic option.

 

  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 11:53am

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I’m pretty new here, but I’m learning to prioritize reading posts that contain visible links to the supporting information, for which I am grateful. I’ve learned a ton.

This screening keeps the signal to noise ratio higher, and I’m less frustrated.

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