Saber rattling against US by China is more than noise

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 04:43am

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    Saber rattling against US by China is more than noise

I have written on the forum before about China’s plan for world domination under Xi with mixed responses. I have compiled a few sources to inform those who wish to look.

The recent arrests in HKG and the veiled threats to Taiwan prove the Chinese are in an all-out assault to reach their goals. It doesn’t stop with “their” territories…look at the S.China Sea. Buzzing the Philippine, Japanese, and US Navies in a game of chicken. The strategy doesn’t end there. They have  positioned themselves in SE Asia with the junta of Myanmar on one side, and friendly relations with Vietnam on the other, effectively covering both the east and west coastlines of the region. Thailand’s current regime is very friendly as well. The Chinese see it as a farmer’s market to cope with their food import needs and impending crop losses. Hydro dams from China cover Laos. But their ambitions don’t end there.

The border war with India was planned in advance of the world recognizing the virus as tanks were seen in Tibet in January. https://zeenews.india.com/india/china-planned-incursion-in-galwan-much-ahead-deployed-nano-tanks-in-tibet-in-january-2302022.html

China is also making a move on the Russian city of Vladivostok at the conjunction of NK, China, and Russia.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmFZ7cn9uUA

What is life like in China right now? Quite literally they are preparing everyone for war and famine. They have posters going up in common public areas about finding the nearest fallout shelters in case of attack.  They are also bracing for food shortages, i.e. famine, with Xi’s “Clean Plate” scheme.  In restaurants, you can only order n-1 dishes, meaning that if 5 people eat a meal, you can only order 4 servings. No explanation as how that works with one person trying to order.                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swceTapWBvQ

Like the fictional Borg, they conquer, consume, and leave devastation in their path. The level of air and water pollution within China is unparalleled. While people in Europe and US bemoan global warming..er…climate change from CO2 from their nations, China emits more CO2 than both of them combined.  Coal is the main source of electricity. Local officials turn a blind eye to the devastation of lakes and rivers by industry. Please remember that they are not bound by the UN pollution agreements as they are a “developing nation.”     https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/07/01/china-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-than-the-u-s-and-eu-combined/

The USA has always been in the crosshairs. Easy enough to achieve through bribery of politicians, colonization, and last, force. The Harvard Chemistry Dept. Head was indicted for espionage in Jan.’20 after receiving  $50K/month and a million dollar lab in Wuhan. The Confucian Institutes as well as visiting university professors are being caught in all kinds of data and patent theft. Then there’s the buying up of millions of acres of farmlands and businesses like the Chicago Stock Exchange.           https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/11/10-iconic-american-companies-owned-by-chinese-investors.html

Look at the seizure of 1000s of fake IDs from China recently. What if they were made to throw elections…hmmm.  (Now we know why they wanted your TikTok data.) They have just declared they need to double their nuclear capabilities to rebuke the USA aggression. March ’20 China bragged of bringing the US to its knees with an EMP to disrupt the power grid. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/11/27/customs-agents-seize-thousands-fake-ids-counterfeit-items//.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/peter-pry-china-emp-attack/

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/17/china-threatens-emp-attack-south-china-sea/

How would you attack the US? What if the western US coastline is their entry point? Think of it for a moment- WA, OR, and CA all are having massive rioting and attempts at anarchy…what great cover. You might not notice anyone unusual coming ashore or ships off the coast. The politician are playing along quite well. LA city councilman was just arrested on bribery charges that included at least one Chinese billionaire.  The new OR DA failed to prosecute ANY of the arrested rioters prompting state police to leave Portland. The Seattle police chief resigned due to funding and personnel cuts. And the list goes on…even good ole TN is #1 on the list of states overrun with Chinese influence.                                                                                                                  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/los-angeles-councilman-charged-staggering-bribery-scheme-n1231901

KT Macfarland speaks on how China is using the GF riots.              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFhKBcJ5Bgg

The idea of China doing this seems crazy, right? Perhaps the plans have been around longer than you believe.  Let’s not forget in 2007 a Chinese sub appeared in a carrier group off the CA coast. That same day in 2010, a missile was fired from that region. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/11/missile-fired-off-california-coast-on-same-day-that-chinese-sub-appeared-in-us-carrier-group/

What about other areas close by? Even BC/Canada isn’t immune due to the Chinese financial takeover. https://www.npr.org/2019/06/05/726531803/vancouver-has-been-transformed-by-chinese-immigrants

They already have control of major ports in Mexico.             https://americanfreepress.net/html/massive_port_grab.html

China is also exerting pressure in Panama, home of the Panama Canal, a strategic asset.                  https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-the-us-and-the-panama-canal_2683183.html

The point of writing this… the Wuhan virus may be round one. There are certainly enough overt actions being taken by China to warrant serious concerns. They are going to try and affect the election with Big Tech’s help. On the home-front,  Xi is openly making statements to brace his citizens for hardship, and using terms like war and attacks.

I don’t think the average person in the US is aware of these goings on. They have enough to deal with from the immediate pressures of finances, school, food, and virus shut downs.  If you look at the bigger picture, some of the insanity starts to make sense as being by design.

  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 06:50am

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    Saber rattling against US by China is more than noise

Hi Hohhot,
Thanks for all this info and links. Much appreciated.

  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 03:34pm

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    Additional info: excellent documentary on CCP continued cover-up of SARSCov2

Gives sequential presentation of all the cover-up methods employed by the CCP and how they are sticking to their story in the face of insurmountable evidence to the contrary. DailyMail reported in April that Cambridge scholars had determined the outbreak began between Sept.13 and Dec 7 by studying the genome. Go to 32:36.

Remember they banned domestic travel within China, while allowing international travel knowing Wuhan was an epicenter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cav-OCuNmBI

  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 08:20pm

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    Saber rattling against US by China is more than noise

The economic and migration links are more or less neutral, but cannot be used as evidence for the main thesis:

‘Saber rattling against US by China is more than noise’

But for the rest: china uncensored, the epoch times, forbes, breitbart, ntd are highly sinophobe propaganda outlets, just totally not to be trusted about any China ‘news’

 

In Europe, many of us say: Republicans hate China, Democrats hate Russia (and both hate Iran).  In my view, all 3 countries are becoming more assertive. Even in the EU, people start getting really enough from the endless bulliying and undiplomatic pressure, threatening with sanctions and endless wars. Many of us don’t regret at all that the US troops are leaving Germany (we don’t want to waste too much on defence for a mostly nonexisting threat).  Only our ‘leaders’ are thrilled about trade pacts like TIPP and TPP, althoug the puppeteers behind Biden/ Harris would probably be able to push it through.  That presidency would be a year long honeymoon, because most of us see Trump as the disease, not as the symptom yet.

  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 10:35pm

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    Hohhot

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    Discuss /disagree with facts

You are entitled to your views, mine are different. Love to have our troops out of the archaic NATO. Germany, where you’re heavily fined by roving police for purchasing the wrong rail ticket off the insanely complicated system,  but rapes and beatings by migrants are often dismissed or have little consequence. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663/germany-migrants-rape

The notion that the USA is governed by the propped up political party system is false.  The dealings of the higher level politicians of all persuasions is to vastly enrich themselves by whoring for the highest bidder to our detriment. We are the cattle.

The reason many support Trump is because unlike the others,  he couldn’t be bought off. Agree with many of his policies like not allowing China to bend us over with continued $500billion dollar trade deficits annually and trying to move manufacturing back within the country.  It is not wise being dependent on others for all supplies as the lack of PPE world-wide shows.

The Chinese are actively subverting the UK and Europe as well via trade or investment agreements, and Huawei’s 5G interests. Italy, an epicenter of the Covid virus, was the first of the EU to sign up for China’s predatory Belt and Road. The hard hit northern area is teaming with both legal/illegal Chinese immigrants competing with the locals. All those people were fresh from New Year visits to the mainland Jan ’20.              https://www.beltandroad.news/2020/03/14/italys-coronavirus-outbreak-puts-spotlight-on-china-ties/

This an excerpt in The Guardian of the new book, The Hidden Hand, about China’s dealings world-wide.

Under President Xi the BRI and United Front have become the twin battering rams to project Chinese power. As Hamilton and Ohlberg say, the pretence that party and state are two different spheres has been dropped under Xi. China and the Chinese Communist party are coterminous – and every enterprise in China, state-owned or private, is surveilled by a Communist party committee.

All western states have until the last few months chosen to look the other way. After all the Chinese economy is now the world’s second biggest – and its huge investment in tech is conferring leadership in AI and 5G. The consensus has been that you have to engage with it. Britain has been no slouch. Recall George Osborne and Boris Johnson’s visit to China in 2013, innocently opening the door to the party’s control of part of our new nuclear industry – or David Cameron enjoying a beer with Xi in a Buckinghamshire pub heralding a “new golden era” in Anglo-Chinese relations. The party looks particularly kindly on Britain’s 48 Group Club, founded in 1954 to promote Anglo-Chinese trade, whose members include businessmen such as Tom Glocer, former chief executive of Reuters, along with ex-politicians Tony Blair, Michael Heseltine and Peter Mandelson. But its efforts don’t stop there. Academics, former ambassadors and even journalists like Martin Jacques, author of When China Rules the World, advocate of China’s view of globalisation and critic of Hong Kong protesters, are all cited as good examples of how the party indulges its friends with privileged access. There are parallel efforts across the EU and in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/aug/11/hidden-hand-review-chinas-true-global-ambitions-exposed

Your dismissal of all the sources listed as “invalid” gave no facts.  Even if China Uncensored, the Epoch Times, et. al. did sympathize with Falun Gong, the question is about accuracy, not personal beliefs. One of the many YT detractors espousing how stupid China Uncensored, et. al. are is an American WM working for a large news outlet. A major talking point is that all the claims of organ harvesting from live FG members were pure lies. One video he laughed and sneered that they were probably harvested “because their organs were so succulent.” Perhaps he’s too lazy to do even a cursory search for The China Tribunal.

This counsel of 7 volunteers composed of human rights NGO and attorneys, is headed by barrister Sir Geoffrey Nice, QC . Sir Geoffrey successfully prosecuted Milosevic for war crimes.  Working over 12 months, questioning over 50 witnesses, experts, etc. examining written analyses, public hearings, their final assessment was delivered in London June ’19.

Within the Chinese transplant system, waiting times are said to be ‘extremely short by international standards and at times, transplants of vital organs (hearts, full livers) can be ‘booked’ in advance. The alleged victims of forced organ harvesting are primarily people who follow the Buddha School meditation practice of Falun Gong, possibly along with Uyghur Muslims (a Turkic ethnic group currently being detained in vast numbers in the Xinjiang region) and some Tibetan Buddhists and House Church Christians. These concerns have been raised with Chinese officials and Chinese medical practitioners on numerous occasions, each time with results that have been doubted by some. Those supporting China’s medical practices claim that issues to do with unethical organ procurement have been resolved but have offered no clear evidence to support their claims. At times, Chinese medical professionals have appeared to dismiss questions about forced organ harvesting without addressing the substance of the allegations.

https://chinatribunal.com/china-tribunal-final-judgement-and-report-17th-june-2019/ 

Due to subject matter of many things demonetized or banned on YT, Twitter, and FB, seems everyone is deep in the CCP’s cozy pocket. Consider the channels/reporters who stick their necks out as they’re probably telling the truth.

  • Mon, Aug 17, 2020 - 12:14am

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    Saber rattling against China by the US is more than noise

Who’s got the biggest saber?

The US is even deploying launch phase anti-missile missiles in the China Sea since the mid-course missile interceptor EKV only worked 30% of the time under carefully controlled conditions.  It was eventually cancelled after billions was wasted on it:

https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2019/08/21/dod-tanks-redesigned-kill-vehicle-program-for-homeland-defense-interceptor/

That didn’t stop President Cheney from deploying them in Alaska.  We desperately needed a defense against North Korea.  Do these neocons actually believe that China and Russia are stupid enough to buy into this particular saber rattle?  After watching an interview of Richard Pearl in the 80’s, I think they are actually that delusional.  In that interview he said that the entire USSR could be wiped out with nothing more than a fleet of aircraft carriers in the arctic ocean.  Trump is just their latest yes man.

Since the US’s ultimate weapon (debt) is loosing its effectiveness, could China’s accumulation of gold be their ultimate saber rattle?

 

 

  • Mon, Aug 17, 2020 - 03:03pm

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The China tribunal is another toxic NGO from the western regime change machine, who only comes up with circumstantial evidence and witness statements.  We have no objective evidence what happens in the education camps, or of its scale.   But China had a major terrorist problem with wahabi converted Uygurs. The Uygur terrorists, imported via Turkey, fighting in Syria even scare the IS liver eaters through their cruelty.

Anyway the only countries who have had success in the suppression of salafistic/ wahabistic jihadisme are Chechnia, Syria and China . And no that is not always achieved in elegant ways…  But it has to be done

  • Mon, Aug 17, 2020 - 05:29pm

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    How many facts are enough to prove something?

Wow, a die-hard apologist. How many facts are enough? Again, “the tribunal is bogus.” OK, how about these?

2017 presentation on the USA’s Public Broadcast Station about the organ harvesting and medical work-ups of prisoners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khpmkNfx0Rk

Here’s a Chinese doctor testifying about doing forced harvesting. The source is the Irish news outlet The Journal.  Did he lie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoXKMw4slHY

Many testifying about the live organ harvesting. Dr. Zhiyuan Wang and other doctors talk about doing the harvesting. Did he lie too? Recorded phone conversations with hospitals about “ordering organs.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iouJsHmBDcc

Why am I spending time arguing the point? Because people need to realize that if the CCP is willing to cut organs out of living, unmedicated humans for money, then unleashing a virus, or heaven forbid, a nuke are not out of the realm of possibility. Wake up folks.

  • Mon, Aug 17, 2020 - 08:15pm

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    “Whose got the bigger saber?” Military Industrial Complex is always busy.

The Military Industrial Complex has been playing both sides of conflicts since before WWI.  Look into Prescott Bush w Snidley Butler or The Doors’ Jim Morrison whose daddy was the admiral in charge of Gulf of Tonkin or the poppy fields of Afghanistan. Just don’t underestimate leaders who openly declare their intent for raining death and destruction like Erodogan in Turkey. Make no mistake, Xi aims to be king of the world. You can say it’s culture or CCP propaganda, but he believes his own press 100%, and that’s not good for round eyed Laowei.

It’s a relative sliding scale of who is the biggest a-hole in the world bunch. Comparing countries, the US has still has been relatively good for the common guy. Tax rates aren’t 50% like places with national healthcare. There was unimpeded travel within the states. You could start a business without guaranteed bribes and actually make money BV- before virus.

You can’t assign attitudes to the Russians or Chinese from a Western viewpoint. It’s a whole different belief system. They don’t fear the US, but understand the chess game. The Chinese and Russians hate each other, but would align if they had a common enemy. Afterwards, it would be a cage fight.

Regarding the Chinese gold reserves: it ain’t in China guaranteed, as all the party will have siphoned it off. If you don’t understand this, you don’t know the CCP. They send their kids to western nations to money launder through their accounts. The C banks only do business with large govt. owned firms and having gold reserves isn’t to back money. They love hard assets and especially real estate. Look at NZ and BC.  Funny if they have all that gold, why is the second largest world economy still borrowing low cost loans from the World Bank in 2019?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/china-no-longer-a-poor-nation-still-borrows-billions-from-world-bank.html

And about the “debt threat”- two way street. China owns over $1trillion US debt. Second is Japan also with >$1 trillion. China is also indebted to the US over $1 trillion. Calling in loans is to try and upend the dollar based world exchange replacing with the yuan (RMB). There is currently a US govt. proposal to do a swap of Chinese and US debt. Allegedly this would leave the US ahead and free from the Chinese. Can’t find the article referencing the lady who holds the POA on the USA bond market  discussing it.

Supposedly in 2009 the Feds granted the Chinese imminent domain over real estate collateral in the US for loans. Snopes denied it of course without any proof, but it has a ring of truth. This is the cornerstone of Belt and Road predatory practices to subtly take over a nation. Think the US would never do such a deal?  Our debt with the World Bank was collateralized by national park land.

Then James Baker made his keynote speech in 1987, he stated that, “No longer will the World Bank carry this debt unsecured. The only assets we have to collateralize are federal lands and national parks.” Baker’s definition of federal lands includes Heritage sites, of which there are about 20 in the United States. I say “about” 20, because they are being added on a regular basis. (Excerpt from 2010 post here on PP by DrKrbyLuv)

https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/our-land-collateral-for-the-national-debt/

Speaking to the generic you pronoun: If you think China has it together, good luck. If you enjoy having every aspect of your life monitored even the trash, you’ll love China. If you think whites are privileged, you’ll revel in the ethnocentricity of the CCP where non-Chinese aren’t human. If you’re a techno geek who wants a chip, step up. Please remember one of the earliest incarnations of this in the ’90s, Digital Angel, openly spoke about “monitoring vital signs” and being able to “cut them off.” If the social credit score where you get points for kissing a%%, but not applauding enthusiastically enough at a speech gets you being barred from public transport or access to food/medicine is OK with you, please carry on.

Are there evil politicians, etc. in the USA? Absolutely. Fiat money system, crazy IRS, etc. The virus has revealed the depth of rot. Nothing new as been around over 100 years, just more in your face. None of that detracts from the enemy staring us down in the person of Xi.

  • Mon, Aug 17, 2020 - 11:56pm

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Testifications don’t cut it anymore (since quite a long time!), since the Nayira incubator babies, the viagra soldiers of Khadaffi, the white helmets in Syria, the fake torture data of ‘Ceasar’ over there, all cherry picked, exaggerated, made up and propagated by NGO’s based in NY, Washington and London.

 

And of course, that a cult like Falun Gong dissipates this propaganda on various YT channels (while avoiding naming itself), which happen to always float to the top of recommended videos) does not add to its credibility!

 

I have no skin in this game, I just generally happen to react in a contrarian way to ANY propaganda.  That how my bullshit detector has become primed, during many decades. And that might make me seem pro-China/-Russia/-Iran , which is really not the case. I am a little bit pro- Cuba and -Venezuela, but that is more a cultural affinity than anything else.

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