Risks from the “Vaccinated”?

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  • Thu, Apr 29, 2021 - 07:53am   (Reply to #29)

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    Risks from the “Vaccinated”?

You may not need to test for antibodies. A PCR test might be enough to know if your wife has shared spike proteins with you.

  • Fri, Apr 30, 2021 - 03:57am

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    Risks from the “Vaccinated”?

Dr. Kory alluded to getting some very interesting information about people developing strange symptoms after exposure to those who got the vaccine.  He was intrigued because he got this information from people he trusts.  This was in the last presentation.  Seems very early on but he has his ear to the ground on that.

  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 10:31am   (Reply to #29)

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    Risks from the “Vaccinated”?

You may not need to test for antibodies. A PCR test might be enough to know if your wife has shared spike proteins with you.

I don’t think that would tell me if I’ve developed an immune response, though. So the blood test would probably be more appropriate.

Besides, if you’ve ever had one of those NP swabs for covid, you know they’re not pleasant. I’d choose a blood draw any day!

  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 11:29am

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    Risks from the “Vaccinated”?

I’m not sure how everyone else feels right now, but after reading this conversation thread, I’m very much hoping that we will hear from Chris again soon to help us sort through all of this information.

  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 01:27pm

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    Risks from the “Vaccinated”?

I ran across this podcast, right before 37 mins she gets into it. There’s a yes and no to it:

 

SPECIAL REPORT: Dr. Sherri Tenpenny & Steve Quayle on The Hagmann Report (FULL SHOW) 4/8/2021

 

  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 02:09pm   (Reply to #35)

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    Ten minutes were really good.

Drjohn,

Thanks for posting that link. Even greater thanks for suggesting that the meat starts at around 37 minutes. Dr. Tenpenny spoke about the 3 questions she gets most frequently:

  1. Can any portion of the “vaccine” or the generated spike proteins be shed and what will that do?
  2. Will the spike proteins contaminate the blood supply?
  3. What about the infertility thing?

She goes into answers in detail over the next 10 minutes, but the bottom line is that nobody knows yet because the normal trials were not conducted for these “vaccines.” We’re the lab-rats for this experiment.

At the end of this 10 minutes, she said she’s done 435 interviews over the last 16 months when she typically does about 35 per year. She mentioned that there are about 1 million doctors in the USA, yet only a handful are pursuing the problems with the “vaccine.” Then she said, “in my opinion, that’s just lame.” (I didn’t listen to the rest of the interview after Steve Quayle started bloviating.)

I understand that doctors have full plates and worries about getting sued, keeping patients happy enough to keep coming back, dealing with insurance companies, hearing from drug company representatives, etc., etc. Then, they have to try to have a good personal life beyond work. It’s a tough existence … but one that was chosen. I respect those who step up to the plate rather than go with the status quo.

Grover

  • Tue, May 11, 2021 - 05:48pm

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    Risks from the “Vaccinated”?

Thanks for posting that link. Even greater thanks for suggesting that the meat starts at around 37 minutes. Dr. Tenpenny spoke about the 3 questions she gets most frequently:

Can any portion of the “vaccine” or the generated spike proteins be shed and what will that do?
Will the spike proteins contaminate the blood supply?
What about the infertility thing?

I think her logic is flawed when she talks about the J&J/Atra being more likely to shed than the mRNA vaccines. She is talking about the entire adenovirus particle shedding, not just the spikes. However, for the process she described to lead to shedding, the adenovirus particles injected in the deltoid muscle would need to somehow find their way into the bloodstream, then to either the nose/throat/lungs, then they would have to make their way out of the blood into the airway where they could be expelled, all before infecting a cell or being destroyed. That sounds extremely unlikely to me, at least in significant numbers.

I’ve spent a fair bit of time looking for the “definitive” statement on whether spikes can get out of cells. All I find is contradiction. Some sources say the spikes are broken up in the cells and then presented on the surface in pieces (by the MHC-I or MHC-II process). Others say that whole spikes “migrate” to the surface where they project out but do not break free from the cell. It is well known that cells break up foreign proteins and “present” them on their surfaces but whether whole proteins can make their way to the surface to be presented is something I haven’t been able to convince myself about.

However, it does seem that when cells with spike proteins are destroyed by the immune system, that debris is released including spike proteins. That cellular material will be taken care of by the immune system but it seems probable that some spike protein escapes. From what I can tell, though, this has not been studied. None of the documents I’ve come across specifically address the issue of spike protein moving around in the body or being expelled.

What I did find, though, is evidence that the actual mRNA does spread through the body, with small amounts being widely distributed in the blood and various organs. The Assessment Report (of the Moderna vaccine) put out by the European Medicines Agency (link below) specifically talks about studies where a similar mRNA product was given via IM injection to rats. Upon autopsy, the mRNA was found in low concentrations throughout the body. This is described on pages 47-48, in part: “Low levels of mRNA could be detected in all examined tissues except the kidney. This included heart, lung, testis and also brain tissues, indicating that the mRNA/LNP platform crossed the blood/brain barrier, although to very low levels (2-4% of the plasma level). Liver distribution of mRNA-1647 is also evident in this study, consistent with the literature reports that liver is a common target organ of LNPs”

So after injection it is likely that low levels of mRNA will spread through the body. Whether this can lead to spike shedding (or even mRNA shedding) or some of the weird side effects that have been reported in vaccinated individuals or those around them, remains TBD I guess.

Moderna Assessment Report

  • Wed, May 12, 2021 - 08:33am

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    Risks from the “Vaccinated”?

It seems to me that they’ll never tell us about the risks from the vaccination, even if there are some.

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