Risks from the “Vaccinated”?

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  • Wed, Apr 28, 2021 - 01:27pm   (Reply to #15)

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    Risks from the “Vaccinated”?

This is clear;

“A male participant who is receiving or has discontinued study intervention exposes a female partner prior to or around the time of conception.”

They are not talking about the male participant spraying vaccine towards their pregnant mate, especially in the special case of one who has discontinued the study and then later “exposes a female partner”.  There is something else going on here…

The document is talking about 2 different things that I believe are being mixed together here.

1) They’re talking about “inhalation or skin contact” of the study intervention which means the vaccine…inhalation of the vaccine or skin contact of the vaccine, such as through an accident at the vaccination site.

2) They’re obviously concerned about the possibility that spike proteins or mRNA or lipid nanoparticles could be passed through sexual transmission, or possibly that the vaccine could cause other problems in the sperm. So part of the protocol (section 10.4) states that male participants should abstain from donating sperm or having unprotected sex for at least 28 days after the last vaccination.

The text you quoted refers to unprotected sexual contact, i.e. if a male who has been vaccinated (or otherwise exposed to the vaccine through inhalation or skin contact) has unprotected sex with a woman near the time of conception, then that is considered to be an EDP (exposure during pregnancy). Presumably that is something they want to know about so it can be followed.

So the “there is something else going on here” is just that they want to make sure that the vaccine doesn’t have any impacts on the fetus. That is certainly a big thing to be concerned about…

I wonder if they are warning people not to have unprotected sex during vaccinations now? Maybe that is buried in the fine print.

  • Wed, Apr 28, 2021 - 01:56pm

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    Good points Coh.. Thank you

That makes more sense… i.e. sexual transmission through bodily fluids.

  • Wed, Apr 28, 2021 - 05:09pm

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    Risks from the “Vaccinated”?

Dr Kory just said on this evening’s FLCCC’s weekly update webinar that he has received reports from what he considers to be a number of credible sources — unvax’d — that they have experienced covid-like symptoms including sudden bruising after close proximity to vax’d individuals. That’s all he said.

Sorry I did not get a time but it was about 40 minutes in.

  • Wed, Apr 28, 2021 - 08:56pm

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    Dr. Kory’s Comments – slightly different perspective

I didn’t come away with the idea that the subject of spike transmission from vaxxed to non-vaxxed individuals was one in which Dr. Kory wanted to become involved. I got the impression that although he is aware of the subject and certain individuals that he respects have brought it up, he did not have an answer to give at this time.  I can understand that.  He seems to be a bit like Sgt. Friday….looking for facts.

I’ve spent the entire day digging through online information, anecdotes & photos (scary stuff) about this cross transmitted question. I listened to Dr. Tenpenny, & Truth Unmasked, read 258 Gab posts and the sites where they led, watched Dr Bhakdi on New American News (terrifying) and more. There is enough out there to cause concern and at the very least put a worrier like me on alert.

If , I pray no & fear yes, this is true, we are in a world of hurt.  Many ill-informed individuals will have made decisions that adversely affect others – friends, family and complete strangers – who chose differently for themselves … including you and me.  The only thing that I can see as a positive is the irony that those who have engineered this catastrophe will not be able to escape from what they have created.

 

  • Wed, Apr 28, 2021 - 09:07pm

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    shedding fake spike proteins

Exposure from vaxxed people does make sense.

If you get the shot, and your body gets turned into a factory for making fake spike proteins via these lipid nanoparticles, presumably you will be shedding these tiny fake spike proteins via breath.  That’s because your lung cells – in fact, all your cells – will be dutifully churning out spike proteins thanks to the lipid nanoparticle “program” installed into your body via the vaxx.

(I’m guessing here that the “program” doesn’t just stay in the muscle where it is injected.  The lipid nanoparticles are carried throughout the body via the bloodstream.)

Those fake spike proteins are pretty small too.  Masks provide (as usual) little to no protection from breath due to the size of the spike protein particles your body is constantly producing – in your lung cells, for instance.

You (probably?) won’t be shedding lipid nanoparticles, so the unwary target won’t become a factory themselves.  But the fake spike proteins, yes, everyone in the area gets exposed, via breath, kissing, sex, etc.  Closer contact = probably greater exposure.  What are the effects of these fake spike proteins on others?  Do they cause clots?  Do they cause an antibody reaction?  What about the babies inside pregnant mothers?

It sure does look from the document that Pharma knew about this possible impact.

Oh.  And here: mouse injected with just the spike protein itself suffers COVID-like symptoms.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-sars-cov-spike-protein-lung.html

The researchers found that the genetically modified mice injected with the spike protein exhibited COVID-19-like symptoms that included severe inflammation, an influx of white blood cells into their lungs and evidence of a cytokine storm—an immune response in which the body starts to attack its own cells and tissues rather than just fighting off the virus. The mice that only received saline remained normal.

“These findings show that the genetically modified mouse together with just a segment of the spike protein can be used to study SARS-CoV-2 lung injury,” said Solopov. “We can use this tool to develop a better understanding of how the spike protein causes lung symptoms—even without the intact virus—in order to develop new targets and therapeutics for COVID-19.”

  • Thu, Apr 29, 2021 - 02:22am

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    Risks from the “Vaccinated”?

I would note that infectious vaccines are well known to already exist, for example ‘attenuated’ polio vaccine. This is seen as a positive – it ‘mops’ up the (hopefully) small number of people who aren’t reached in a mass vaccination drive. Of course, sucks to be someone who deliberately avoided vaccination for some reason. They used oral attenuated vaccines in my high school in the 1990s – I know there were a couple of people who opted out due to being very immune compromised or for religious reasons, wonder if anyone bothered to tell my friends that they should miss a month of school or just allowed them to take their chances?

Also sucks to be the people who get infected if the vaccine strain has the chance to go through enough replications to become ‘unattenuated’. See for example, the following WHO document discussing the trade off as they see it between the use of attenuated live and killed vaccines – https://www.who.int/biologicals/areas/vaccines/poliomyelitis/en/.

This is not to say that any of the Covid vaccines are infectious vaccines, just that if they are, then people who see these vaccines as a great thing would probably see that as a plus rather than a minus.

  • Thu, Apr 29, 2021 - 07:02am

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    Quoting Pfizer

Just trying to clarify this in my own head. Comments welcome.

With regards to Exposure During Pregnancy (EDP). The Pfizer study says:

 A female is found to be pregnant while being exposed or having been exposed to study intervention due to environmental exposure.  Below are examples of environmental exposure during pregnancy:
• A female family member or healthcare provider reports that she is pregnant after having been exposed to the study intervention by inhalation or skin contact.

and

Study intervention is defined as any investigational intervention(s), marketed product(s), placebo, medical device(s), or study procedure(s) intended to be administered to a study participant according to the study protocol.
The study will evaluate a 2-dose (separated by 21 days) schedule of various different dose levels of 2 investigational RNA vaccine candidates for active immunization against COVID-19 in 3 age groups (18 to 55 years of age, 65 to 85 years of age, and ≥12 years of age [stratified as 12-15, 16-55, or >55 years of age]).
These 2 investigational RNA vaccine candidates, with the addition of saline placebo, are the 3 potential study interventions that may be administered to a study participant:
• BNT162b1 (BNT162 RNA-LNP vaccine utilizing modRNA and encoding the RBD): 10 µg, 20 µg, 30 µg, 100 µg
• BNT162b2 (BNT162 RNA-LNP vaccine utilizing modRNA and encoding the P2 S): 10 µg, 20 µg, 30 µg
• Normal saline (0.9% sodium chloride solution for injection)

Given that there are no known risks associated with coming into contact with those who have taken a saline solution, it would appear to me that Pfizer were anticipating a possible shedding event from vaccinated people to unvaccinated pregnant women, and that it could be dangerous as they later detail the reporting conditions:

The investigator must report EDP to Pfizer Safety within 24 hours of the investigator’s awareness, irrespective of whether an SAE has occurred.  The initial information submitted should include the anticipated date of delivery (see below for information related to termination of pregnancy).

From: https://media.tghn.org/medialibrary/2020/11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020_Pfizer_BioNTech.pdf

So now the question, how long do the injected shed for?

  • Thu, Apr 29, 2021 - 07:07am

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    Vaccination by proxy?

This is not to say that any of the Covid vaccines are infectious vaccines, just that if they are, then people who see these vaccines as a great thing would probably see that as a plus rather than a minus.

This is something I was thinking about last night. Assuming for a moment that some (or all) who are vaccinated with mRNA vaccines are in fact shedding spike proteins for some time period – are they shedding enough that others can develop a significant immune response? If so, it’s very interesting and raises the possibility that people who may want the vaccine but don’t trust the technology, can essentially be “vaccinated by proxy” by being in close contact with people who have been vaccinated. This would avoid the risks associated with the lipid nanoparticles as well as the unknowns associated with the mRNA itself. All you would get would be the spikes. In a sense, this might be similar to the Novavax product which is currently in trial (and might be the one I’d like to get if I decide to get any vaccine).

Lots of questions and unknowns of course. When people receive an mRNA shot, how long do they produce (and shed) spikes? Generally mRNA is destroyed by the  body within a relatively short time after being created. Is this what happens with the vaccines? Are we talking a few hours or days? Weeks? Is it possible that in some cases the mRNA can become embedded into the cellular machinery, turning some people into long term spike factories? Superspreaders of a sort?

I hope someone is studying vaccinated individuals and testing to see whether they are actually shedding spikes (and how – breath, sweat, other fluids). My wife got her first pfizer shot…am I developing an immune response as a result? No obvious symptoms but maybe I should get a blood test in a month or two to look for antibodies.

 

  • Thu, Apr 29, 2021 - 07:52am

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    Doctors discussing shedding/transmission

I found this and listened to the whole thing last night.  There is one doctor that invokes the nanobot/5G stuff, and as a semiconductor materials engineer I will say there is no way to make the leap from lipid nanoparticles to sensors being injected into us that communicate with Wi-Fi and activate in the presence of 5G.  I am sure injectable computers and sensors will come in time, but this ain’t it.  It would be trivial to see these things under a microscope if they did exist in the injectable.  Other than that part it’s a very intelligent discussion by very intelligent doctors, and the fact is they don’t know much more than what we are already discussing here… the discussion does though valicate that SOMETHING is happening related to the vaccinated affecting the unvaccinated;

MUST HEAR: DOCTORS PRESENT NEW mRNA KILL SHOT “VACCINE” INFO!!

  • Thu, Apr 29, 2021 - 07:53am

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    Risks from the “Vaccinated”? Passive mRNA vaccination for SARS Cov2

Take a look at this. Thoughts?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7685031/

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