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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2009 - 03:23pm

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    Reshuffling ?

So, when do all the other forae get combed through to have the controversial and conspiratorial shifted out and brought here,…and will there be any content left in those areas when such is done?

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2009 - 08:02am

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    Re: Reshuffling ?

Nobody ever thinks their own opinion is controversial or a conspiracy.  That is why this has been a very lonely thread category!

  • Fri, Apr 10, 2009 - 11:18pm

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    No Conspiracy Theorists Here

 

Aren’t you the brave one, Trakar . . . wandering into this No Man’s Land?

[quote=Amanda V]Nobody ever thinks their own opinion is controversial or a conspiracy.  That is why this has been a very lonely thread category![/quote]

How very true Amanda.  It seems that the phrase "conspiracy theory" has become the epithet we throw at any perception of the world that is one step [or more] beyond the ideas that we are willing to explore.  It’s always interesting to see how people will dismiss cohesive theories of world power structures, while accepting completely unsubstantiated models of cause and effect, without ever questioning them.  It is my own personal belief that it requires a strong mind as well as wisdom and divine guidance to be able to see the unvarnished truth about this world.  Before one can accept the truth about the powers in this world, one must first understand the forces that operate within oneself.  Those who seek to obscure the truth understand this, and use people’s blind spots to their advantage.  Pride, greed, and lust are the three vices that I most often see exploited in an attempt to distort the truth, or to distract from the truth, in this country.  Indeed, until we clear the fog of these blinding factors from ourselves, we will remain unable to see the world as it is.  Until then, we have ears, but do not hear, and eyes, but do not see. . .

  • Sat, Apr 11, 2009 - 03:40pm

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What I find truly frustrating is the derisive, almost snotty comments by folks that think that conspiracies never happen.

Almost, well,  just waiting to be fleeced. If I were an immoral man I could clean them out and be able to do it with such ease as to make it look like child’s play. I’d just play on their trust, and work their arrogance against them. 

RICO for one, is a law meant to address criminal conspiracies, demonstrates at least that the Justice Dept belileves that conspiracies occur. Operation Northwoods WAS an actual 1960’s US government conspiracy to kill South Floridians in a false flag operation for pretense to invade Cuba. It’s NOT a conspiracy. It happened. The JCS documents have been leaked on the internet, complete with DETAILS. Credit Default Swaps were intentionally made too complicated for even Wall Street whiz kids to understand so that large institutions could rip off entire segments of the market. That’s conspiratorial. And we now know that it HAPPENED.  

911. Three competing conspiracy theories. The first is that the government let it happen to allow a pretense for war in the middle east. The second is that the government made it happen for the same reasons. The third conspiracy is that 19 men, from a 4th world nation did it all themselves. No matter what position you take on 911, a conspiracy DID happen. 

History, from way prior to the Carthegenians and Romans is choke full of conspiracies at every level of human organization. 

And now, 2009, we’ve become ARROGANT enough to think that somehow we "really smart people" aren’t going to get the wool pulled over our eyes, are not going to get hoodwinked, and no one is going to pull a fast one on us, especially any group with any level of sophisication.  Because we would know.

Baloney. There are a ton of conspiracies in progress. The wretchingly difficult aspect is trying to sift through the disinformation to find out which ones are authentic, and which aspects are accurate.  I don’t pretend to be an expert on sifting through that information. So I wish people would stop immediately dismissing out of hand that which is psychological discomfitting. Having one’s head in the sand produces no measure of safety. It just makes us easier targets. 

  • Sat, Apr 11, 2009 - 04:03pm

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    No Conspiracy Theorists Here

 

Shhh . . . . I don’t think the conspiracy bashers have noticed that we’re here.

  • Sat, Apr 11, 2009 - 04:04pm

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    No Conspiracy Theorists Here

[quote=Pete In Florida]

What I find truly frustrating is the derisive, almost snotty comments by folks that think that conspiracies never happen.

Almost, well,  just waiting to be fleeced. If I were an immoral man I could clean them out and be able to do it with such ease as to make it look like child’s play. I’d just play on their trust, and work their arrogance against them. 

RICO for one, is a law meant to address criminal conspiracies, demonstrates at least that the Justice Dept belileves that conspiracies occur. Operation Northwoods WAS an actual 1960’s US government conspiracy to kill South Floridians in a false flag operation for pretense to invade Cuba. It’s NOT a conspiracy. It happened. The JCS documents have been leaked on the internet, complete with DETAILS. Credit Default Swaps were intentionally made too complicated for even Wall Street whiz kids to understand so that large institutions could rip off entire segments of the market. That’s conspiratorial. And we now know that it HAPPENED.  

911. Three competing conspiracy theories. The first is that the government let it happen to allow a pretense for war in the middle east. The second is that the government made it happen for the same reasons. The third conspiracy is that 19 men, from a 4th world nation did it all themselves. No matter what position you take on 911, a conspiracy DID happen. 

History, from way prior to the Carthegenians and Romans is choke full of conspiracies at every level of human organization. 

And now, 2009, we’ve become ARROGANT enough to think that somehow we "really smart people" aren’t going to get the wool pulled over our eyes, are not going to get hoodwinked, and no one is going to pull a fast one on us, especially any group with any level of sophisication.  Because we would know.

Baloney. There are a ton of conspiracies in progress. The wretchingly difficult aspect is trying to sift through the disinformation to find out which ones are authentic, and which aspects are accurate.  I don’t pretend to be an expert on sifting through that information. So I wish people would stop immediately dismissing out of hand that which is psychological discomfitting. Having one’s head in the sand produces no measure of safety. It just makes us easier targets. 

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Ah, another brave soul joins the fray . . .Thank you, Pete.  That was probably the best concise summation of the psychological dynamic behind conspiracy denial that I’ve read to date.  You stated what I was trying to say about our pride blinding us, but did a far better job of it.  Kudos. 

Hmmm. . . ."conspiracy denial". . . . that has a ring to it . . .  sounds vaguely like a psychiatric diagnosis or a character fault. . . 

  • Sun, Apr 12, 2009 - 05:06am

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c1oudfire, excellent response to Pete in Florida.  I couldn’t have said it better.  Great post Pete.

  • Tue, Apr 14, 2009 - 05:44am

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Great points so far, I also agree that the mere word conspiracy automatically labels one these days as being unimportant or insane in a casual conversation. When people hear that word they always seem to wait for the other person to mention the "aliens who really run things". 😀

 That being said, I don’t think that there is an actual NWO as some people fervently believe. I think alex jones is insane and people like HIM are responsible for the word conspiracy being denigrated. I prefer to think people are much more likely to be incompetent and greedy than organized to try and rule the world.

  • Wed, Apr 15, 2009 - 10:59am

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[quote=Zombie210]

Great points so far, I also agree that the mere word conspiracy automatically labels one these days as being unimportant or insane in a casual conversation. When people hear that word they always seem to wait for the other person to mention the "aliens who really run things". 😀

That being said, I don’t think that there is an actual NWO as some people fervently believe. I think alex jones is insane and people like HIM are responsible for the word conspiracy being denigrated. I prefer to think people are much more likely to be incompetent and greedy than organized to try and rule the world.

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With no intent to argue, or pick a bone with you Zombie, the bolded statement is extremely dangerous. I don’t prefer to "think" anything. What I do prefer is to know exactly what the real truth is, warts and all. Even if that truth is profoundly shocking I still want to know it. I’ll work through the psychological aspects first, go through the stages of acceptance, then roll up my sleeves and think about what actions, no matter how insignificant, I can engage in to stop whatever is going on, if it indeed requires intervention. Do you know what I mean and why I consider your bolded comment to be dangerous? 

 

I have found that nearly 100% of summary rejections of conspiratorial hypothesis’ and theories, are ultimately rejected because the rejector preferred to think that something else was a more "rational" and thus comfortable description of the circumstances, observations, and evidence. 

The danger in this is the closing of the mind, and ultimately self-deception leading to delusion. Delusion defined as adherence to a belief regardless of whatever conflicting evidence presented. It’s a dogmatic adherence to a perception. And once in that state, it’s damn near impossible to snap out of. 

  • Wed, Apr 15, 2009 - 03:03pm

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[quote=Pete In Florida]With no intent to argue, or pick a bone with you Zombie, the bolded statement is extremely dangerous. I don’t prefer to "think" anything. What I do prefer is to know exactly what the real truth is, warts and all. Even if that truth is profoundly shocking I still want to know it. I’ll work through the psychological aspects first, go through the stages of acceptance, then roll up my sleeves and think about what actions, no matter how insignificant, I can engage in to stop whatever is going on, if it indeed requires intervention. Do you know what I mean and why I consider your bolded comment to be dangerous?  I have found that nearly 100% of summary rejections of conspiratorial hypothesis’ and theories, are ultimately rejected because the rejector preferred to think that something else was a more "rational" and thus comfortable description of the circumstances, observations, and evidence.  The danger in this is the closing of the mind, and ultimately self-deception leading to delusion. Delusion defined as adherence to a belief regardless of whatever conflicting evidence presented. It’s a dogmatic adherence to a perception. And once in that state, it’s damn near impossible to snap out of.  [/quote]

Wow.  Really well stated, Pete.  I’ve often struggled to express, without open exasperation, my frustration with getting past the "I’d prefer to think" phenomenon.  You put this clearly and succinctly.  Well done!

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