Religion and peak oil

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  • Sat, Jul 04, 2009 - 06:47am

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    Re: Religion and peak oil

 Mr. Zombee and others here .    Being a Christian I base my belief on teaching of the God of the Bible .     At this time  gathering with like believers is important because we really are made to desire fellowship  and social relationships. This  is why we seek others in times of  joy, sorrow, and persecution. If our country continues in taking away our freedom to worship in what ever way we so choose  people will find each other and meet underground  until someone is called to rise up and  try to fight for this freedom.   It is seen in Israels history over and over  Good king ..bad king . Slavery  to freedom .  Kingdoms rise and flourish then Kingdoms fall .  The paturn seems to going in cycles of 200-300 years.  America as a power nation it seems to  have about finished its cycle . People have been persecuted for their belief and will . Paul writes to Timothy saying in the latter times men would be lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. This is true through out history but to a greater degree today.  Even in the mega churches people seem to be going for the entertainment and not to gather to worship God. We just do not see any mention of America in the Bible .However there does appear to be a hint of a Russian-Arab alliance and the broken treaty with Israel . Also a restored Roman  confederacy.

 As  for the oil … if we are to read the Bible correctly this earth continues 1000 years after Christ returns . So someone  must figure out a replacement  for oil  or we  live without oil .  God in the Bible does give us only glimpse of the future and of Heaven  But there is much travel going on  so  either  transportation is super natural or  some smart guy figures out our next source of  fuel .   Maybe it is you Mr. Zombee .

We can not force someone to believe the same as we do no more than we can make someone love us. But we can  testify of the relationship we have with the Savior and worship with a sincere heart to increase in Knowledge in the things of God .

 Everyone has to have faith in something bigger than them self or they will be their own God .

  Diana

  • Sun, Jul 05, 2009 - 01:18pm

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    Re: Religion and peak oil

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 Mr. Zombee and others here .    Being a Christian I base my belief on teaching of the God of the Bible .     At this time  gathering with like believers is important because we really are made to desire fellowship  and social relationships. This  is why we seek others in times of  joy, sorrow, and persecution.

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I feel we seek others to desire fellowship and relationships, belief in a particular diety doesn`t have to be included.

[quote=Diana]

If our country continues in taking away our freedom to worship in what ever way we so choose  people will find each other and meet underground  until someone is called to rise up and  try to fight for this freedom.   It is seen in Israels history over and over  Good king ..bad king . Slavery  to freedom .  Kingdoms rise and flourish then Kingdoms fall .  The paturn seems to going in cycles of 200-300 years.  America as a power nation it seems to  have about finished its cycle . People have been persecuted for their belief and will . Paul writes to Timothy saying in the latter times men would be lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. This is true through out history but to a greater degree today.  Even in the mega churches people seem to be going for the entertainment and not to gather to worship God. We just do not see any mention of America in the Bible .However there does appear to be a hint of a Russian-Arab alliance and the broken treaty with Israel . Also a restored Roman  confederacy.

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Persecution? You must be kidding me, simply because people don’t follow your faith or allow it to be forced onto themselves does not count as persecution, except in your mind it seems.

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 As  for the oil … if we are to read the Bible correctly this earth continues 1000 years after Christ returns . So someone  must figure out a replacement  for oil  or we  live without oil .  God in the Bible does give us only glimpse of the future and of Heaven  But there is much travel going on  so  either  transportation is super natural or  some smart guy figures out our next source of  fuel .   Maybe it is you Mr. Zombee .

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Whoever figures it out will probally be working and thinking ontheir feet rather than praying on their knees. I really don’t understand what the hell you are saying in that paragraph to be honest.

[quote=Diana]

We can not force someone to believe the same as we do no more than we can make someone love us. But we can  testify of the relationship we have with the Savior and worship with a sincere heart to increase in Knowledge in the things of God .

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And muslims can testify about allah and buddists about budda, etc,etc.

Its not spreading the word that makes people like you unpopular and the like. Its teh arrogrance that you think you have all the answers and your desire to pass laws to force everyone to live according to your beliefs.

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 Everyone has to have faith in something bigger than them self or they will be their own God .

  Diana

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Really? The only thing bigger than yourself is your god? Thats a bit arrogrant my dear. 😀

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  • Wed, Jul 08, 2009 - 12:48am

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    Re: Religion and peak oil

Aaaah… peak oil,  peak ‘SCHMOIL!!’

Don’t worry about peak oil or the collapse of modern agriculture.

Just pray to the ‘Grand Poohbar’, eat your brussell sprouts and everything will be just DANDY!!!… won’t it???

On seconds thoughts maybe I could just skip the brussell sprouts?

On a more serious note… strong communities will make the difference between getting through a major depression or not, especially if food shortages become serious.

Communities at large don’t require religion to succeed but, many religious folk will feel the need to associate with their own theistic communities.

Divisions between different groups during crisis’s will need to be avoided to avert social breakdown.

Religion can either foster co-operation or division. History clearly shows either are possible.

  • Wed, Jul 08, 2009 - 12:54am

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    Re: Religion and peak oil

Zombie 210 ,     Again I apologize … the monitors  would not let me erase my rude ,arrogant posts .   So a  sincere sorry .   I must take the punches .  But PLEEEEASE don’t make me eat the brussel sprouts .

 

  • Wed, Jul 08, 2009 - 03:06am

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    Re: Religion and peak oil

Diana, its okay, really.

  • Wed, Jul 08, 2009 - 04:45am

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    Re: An Elite Leak? Look a Little Closer . . .

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I’m no conspiracy debunker (as folks here well know), but I’ve heard of this man’s story, and it doesn’t really pass the "sniff test" for me.  I won’t entirely discount it either, but I find the "I used to be close to the elite, and they still tell me a lot of inside information" just a bit incredible.  People like that are usually silenced by one form of pressure or another.  But the same general story is often used to plant misinformation in the counterculture, to mislead or discredit.  I’m sad to say that I thnk this source is questionable, and his "story" would need a lot of substantiation before I would give it credence.  IMHO, FWIW

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Lindsay Williams has a very odd "I shared a bunkhouse in Alaska, with the elite" approach. I dunno, eatin’ pork ‘n beans with the Illuminati and building a snowman with TBoone Pickens, all come to mind. I guess it’s possible, but it does kind of seem odd, doesn’t it?

  • Wed, Jul 08, 2009 - 09:07am

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    Re: An Elite Leak? Look a Little Closer . . .

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I’m no conspiracy debunker (as folks here well know), but I’ve heard of this man’s story, and it doesn’t really pass the "sniff test" for me.  I won’t entirely discount it either, but I find the "I used to be close to the elite, and they still tell me a lot of inside information" just a bit incredible.  People like that are usually silenced by one form of pressure or another.  But the same general story is often used to plant misinformation in the counterculture, to mislead or discredit.  I’m sad to say that I thnk this source is questionable, and his "story" would need a lot of substantiation before I would give it credence.  IMHO, FWIW

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Lindsay Williams has a very odd "I shared a bunkhouse in Alaska, with the elite" approach. I dunno, eatin’ pork ‘n beans with the Illuminati and building a snowman with TBoone Pickens, all come to mind. I guess it’s possible, but it does kind of seem odd, doesn’t it?

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Yup .. . . It’s right up there with "I had lunch with David Rockefeller yesterday, and he said, "[whatever]".  From my experience, it’s a common psyops procedure.

 

 

  • Wed, Jul 08, 2009 - 05:11pm

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    Re: Religion and peak oil

Zombie 210 wrote:

I suspect it was the topic of religion before that lead to the creation of this particular sub-forum, well, that and the various NWO threads. That thread got a lot of posts, 183 iirc. That shows to me that this is an issue that people obviously feel strongly about and I’d like to hear more about what people think on it. I really don’t want to turn this into a flame war, but I’d like to hear what others feel if TSHTF, what role would religion have in either helping or hurting societies say together? 

To start the ball rolling let me say that I’m an atheist, I think religion causes more harm than good but I’m not prepared to kill people who disagree with me. Praying on ones knees doesn’t do much good compared to working on ones feet to get things running again. 

Anyone else care to comment?

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