Religion and peak oil

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  • Wed, Apr 15, 2009 - 12:52am

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    Re: Religion and peak oil

[quote=c1oudfire]Dr. Peters fearlessly jumped into the fray, persevered bravely, and only barely escaped with his life. . .  quite an epic tale, really. . . .

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Ha! That sounds even better than I remember it! I should go back for a repeat reading. Well, maybe not.

Sigh, if only I were perceived as that courageous in real life…

 

But, to get back to the topic, my wife has actually been bringing up the possible role of local churches in the past couple of weeks. At least here in the midwest, most (not all) churches of all denominations have historically played a very big role in reaching out to those in need. In smaller communities, such as in rural Iowa, they have been a dominant factor in local life. And, with only occasional exceptions, churches around here have done an admirable job of ignoring most of the hot-button moral issues (same-sex marriage, abortion, etc.) in preference for providing care where it is needed. Again, there are exceptions (the homosexual-hating church in Kansas springs to mind), but at least on social aspects, I think churches here do more good than bad. I suspect this may be true elsewhere in the country, too.

In the U.S., those who consider themselves to be Christians has continued to decline, currently down around 30%, I believe. Personally, I think this in large part due to people who previously considered themselves to be Christians being offended by the seemingly inflexible positions of those on the "religious right", particularly with regard to social issues. There seems to be a growing interest in Evangelical Christianity, in the terms of social justice and service espoused by the early Evangelical movement in this country circa the 19th century (think abolition, etc.). The U.S. Christian church, if it plays its collective cards correctly, could grow in membership and importance by being more inclusive, and focusing on the social message of Jesus to feed and clothe the poor, and so on.

At the same time, I can easily see some Christian churches taking the opportunity of the coming crisis to band together, excluding others, promoting persecution, etc. I suspect that we will see some of this, unfortunately.

Sojourners is a great example of the "New Evangelical Movement", and can be found at:

http://www.sojo.net/

Oh, and their April Fool’s Day joke regarding Rush Limbaugh was excellent! 

  • Wed, Apr 15, 2009 - 01:40am

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    Re: Religion and peak oil

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[quote=Zombie210] BTW yes I would say everything I say here to someones face. [/quote]

Sorry, Zombie, I don’t understand what this refers to . . .  did I miss something?

Sorry, also, that I didn’t remember that you were on that thread.  Bad memories (the thread in general, not your) fade quickly. 

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Ah my bad, I was thinking of something else and the forum rules about not saying anything online that you wouldn`t say to someones face. Nothing to do with you, this or the previous thread.

  • Thu, Apr 23, 2009 - 10:17pm

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Well I can settle one thing right now there is a big relation between religion and peak oil.

Go to YouTube and put in search Lindsay Williams.  He is a minister but offered his services to the oil company builiding the Alaska Pipeline.  It was his suggestion they might want to consider having a minister on the site just to keep things running and the men under some control.

He did such a good job they brought into the inner circle and in that circle he learned more than I think he wanted.  He tells of  the fact that America has a vast amount of oil spread out over its land without even drilling off shore.  The Oil companies know this and you might wonder why they don’t produce it.  There is a mighty sound reason why they don’t.  You see America has truly been bankrupt since Roosevelt was in office, but we love to spend money.There are too sources of currency out there one is the Federal Reserve that loans it to us and foreign purchases of treasury bills so we are able to go futher in debt whch we have done.  When OPEC was formed our government said we will buy your oil we will not develop ours, but you are to purchase Treasury bills out of your profits.  All agreed and that is how we got to depend on foreign oil. 

Lindsay tells in early videos of just what Alaska has alone; enough to run our country at its present need and future needs for over four hundred years.  Then not to long ago he told of a new find in the Bakken which is another huge field right inside our nothern border.  He has no reason to lie he no longer works for the oil companies but he has kept his friends and they tell him much. Over 6 months ago he told of something really amazing when gasoline was almost 5,00 a gallon. He said that oil was going to go down to 50.00 a gallon and hold for some time.  Reason?   Our government really doesn’t want to attack Iran even though the threats run high the Pentagon has told those war hawks the trouble they would be in if they did.   Lindsay says there are other ways to skin a cat and economically will do just fine.  Look what happened to Dubai since oil went down.  He also says the government also wants to affect Russia’s economy also. 

Go to YouTube and look for yourself all his work is there and he always told what was comming months before it did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Thu, Apr 23, 2009 - 10:55pm

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    An Elite Leak? Look a Little Closer . . .

[quote=GrinNBarrett]

Well I can settle one thing right now there is a big relation between religion and peak oil.

Go to YouTube and put in search Lindsay Williams.  He is a minister but offered his services to the oil company builiding the Alaska Pipeline.  It was his suggestion they might want to consider having a minister on the site just to keep things running and the men under some control.

He did such a good job they brought into the inner circle and in that circle he learned more than I think he wanted.  He tells of  the fact that America has a vast amount of oil spread out over its land without even drilling off shore.  The Oil companies know this and you might wonder why they don’t produce it.  There is a mighty sound reason why they don’t.  You see America has truly been bankrupt since Roosevelt was in office, but we love to spend money.There are too sources of currency out there one is the Federal Reserve that loans it to us and foreign purchases of treasury bills so we are able to go futher in debt whch we have done.  When OPEC was formed our government said we will buy your oil we will not develop ours, but you are to purchase Treasury bills out of your profits.  All agreed and that is how we got to depend on foreign oil. 

Lindsay tells in early videos of just what Alaska has alone; enough to run our country at its present need and future needs for over four hundred years.  Then not to long ago he told of a new find in the Bakken which is another huge field right inside our nothern border.  He has no reason to lie he no longer works for the oil companies but he has kept his friends and they tell him much. Over 6 months ago he told of something really amazing when gasoline was almost 5,00 a gallon. He said that oil was going to go down to 50.00 a gallon and hold for some time.  Reason?   Our government really doesn’t want to attack Iran even though the threats run high the Pentagon has told those war hawks the trouble they would be in if they did.   Lindsay says there are other ways to skin a cat and economically will do just fine.  Look what happened to Dubai since oil went down.  He also says the government also wants to affect Russia’s economy also. 

Go to YouTube and look for yourself all his work is there and he always told what was comming months before it did.[/quote]

Hiya Grin;

I’m no conspiracy debunker (as folks here well know), but I’ve heard of this man’s story, and it doesn’t really pass the "sniff test" for me.  I won’t entirely discount it either, but I find the "I used to be close to the elite, and they still tell me a lot of inside information" just a bit incredible.  People like that are usually silenced by one form of pressure or another.  But the same general story is often used to plant misinformation in the counterculture, to mislead or discredit.  I’m sad to say that I thnk this source is questionable, and his "story" would need a lot of substantiation before I would give it credence.  IMHO, FWIW

  • Fri, Apr 24, 2009 - 04:04am

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    Re: An Elite Leak? Look a Little Closer . . .

I also am skeptical except for one thing he is not a friend to the elite but people onto oil. The way I see it is the elite are bloodlines of a few families that have intermarried and produced the dumbest children but they have two things:

1.  a lot of money which of course gives power.

2.  facilitators. There are a lot of those. Some are directly chosen others are bought off like Congress.

Faciltators are the think tanks, Pentagon, the Media, Hollywood,  other very rich men like Soros but not of the elite, secret societies and on and on.

They are given positions of power but have non themselves they do as they are told.  It goes right up to the president.

Now it is possible that he could be a facilitator but I really don’t think so. I am going with him and what he says as truth.  It is just a feeling and I am more often right than wrong.  Although I do admit when I am wrong for I respect knowledge and have no false pride there.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Mon, Apr 27, 2009 - 08:57pm

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    Re: An Elite Leak? Look a Little Closer . . .

Hi GrinNBarrett,

First, welcome to CM.com, it’s good to see new faces arriving almost daily now…and your username is a giggle…

I have some misgivings with Lindsay Williams because much of what he says lacks substance in the way that Richard Heinberg or Jeremy Leggett do in their carefully documented and accredited research, that are both published and respected for there detail. My major foible is with the rehash of his original book from 1980 when the information he is drawing from was fresh. 29 years later and the same book is virtually verbatum. As you are aware, 1980 was a serious year for political strife over oil in the middle east, with the world hitting the begining of yet another recession in only 7 years after the Israeli six day war. The re-emergence of the book in 2008 speaks very much for itself with oil climbing to $147 a barrel on July 12th. This is the book and, please note the date I’m quoting by scrolling down to ‘Production Details’ :-

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Non-Crisis-Lindsey-Williams/dp/0890510687

…note the incredible prices also!!!

The Bakken Oil Fields don’t appear to have anything like 400 years of oil under the ground. The reality, being in the region of some 3.65 billion barrels which, when calculating up the American daily usage at a figure of some 21 million barrels a day, how many actual days make up that in total recoverables…

Bakken Formation – Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakken_Formation

Link :-

http://oilshalegas.com/bakkenshale.html

Chris Martenson has a great deal of respect for Dr Albert A Bartlett. I spread this film thick and wide because he discusses Exponential Growth beyond anyone I’ve found so far :-

 "Population, Arithmetic, and Energy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY&feature=PlayList&p=6A1FD147A45EF50D&index=0&playnext=1

I’m writing to you by way of an opinion and hope you hold respect for that with an open mind…

Best,

Paul

 

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    Re: An Elite Leak? Look a Little Closer . . .

[quote=GrinNBarrett]

I also am skeptical except for one thing he is not a friend to the elite but people onto oil. The way I see it is the elite are bloodlines of a few families that have intermarried and produced the dumbest children but they have two things:

1.  a lot of money which of course gives power.

2.  facilitators. There are a lot of those. Some are directly chosen others are bought off like Congress.

Faciltators are the think tanks, Pentagon, the Media, Hollywood,  other very rich men like Soros but not of the elite, secret societies and on and on.

They are given positions of power but have non themselves they do as they are told.  It goes right up to the president.

Now it is possible that he could be a facilitator but I really don’t think so. I am going with him and what he says as truth.  It is just a feeling and I am more often right than wrong.  Although I do admit when I am wrong for I respect knowledge and have no false pride there.  [/quote]

Hiya, Grin;

I, too, can’t really provide hard evidence for why my instincts tell me that this fellow’s story doesn’t wash . . . but neither does it have enough substantiation to take it at face value.  I guess both of us are approaching this from a subjective, intuitive level.  I guess time will tell . . . . .

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I havent read the story, but I dont believe it. After VanityFox gave me the link to that exponential numbers video. It really doenst matter how much oil they find, it won’t be enough.

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This is only my observation, and it may be false. It seemed to me during Bush more people moved away from religion, and now with Obama, people are moving back to religion. Just like MSNBC was popular with Bush, and now Fox with Obama. Its interesting how that works out.

I have my own set of beliefs as to my being. But I tolerate people that are respectful of all denominations, not mine is better than yours. I think for some, as Dr. Peters said, it gives them an implied connection to their creation. They want answers as to why they are here and where they came from.
 

No matter what happens I don’t see Jesus coming back anytime soon. The amount of people thinking this way currently is actually rather frightening to me. In my opinion Jesus was just a mortal man. I do think he offered good messages for people to live their lives and interact with others. Just my opinion though, so don’t tear me apart for expressing it.

  • Tue, Apr 28, 2009 - 02:35pm

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[quote=SPM]They want answers as to why they are here and where they came from. [/quote]

It might also be useful to know where one is going . . . . . .

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