Religion and peak oil

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  • Mon, Apr 13, 2009 - 11:39am

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    Religion and peak oil

Please note, this thread has been deactivated.  Per new site policy, no discussions relating to religion (for or against) should be started or continued.

 

  • Mon, Apr 13, 2009 - 01:11pm

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    Re: Religion and peak oil

There seems to be a sense that as energy descent really sets in, people interested in sustainability and relocalization initiatives will probably be able to work together in the short term without much conflict over things that seem temporarily extraneous. While it’s not true that there are no atheists in foxholes, I guess it’s rare to find fanatics of any sort, where people have to work together or die.

But that’s for the short run, and temporary practical concord. I imagine later on, as people feel more existentially secure in the new material environment, and there’s time for new cliques to form, the same old greed and powerlust and personal rancor will manifest again, and it will manifest in most of the same old ways, especially "religion". 

  • Mon, Apr 13, 2009 - 01:36pm

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Okay, I’ll bite. I am an "unaligned theist", which means to me that while I believe in God, I do not subscribe fully to any particular belief system. I have found that "truths" exist in all the major religions I have studied, and can see more commonality within those religions than important differences between them. I am far from a religious scholar, mind you. I was raised as a Protestant Christian, and still attend a Christian church (not as regularly as my wife would like, I must admit), but I can appreciate other viewpoints. I particularly value the Eastern religious traditions; and, while I realize that many of those are not necessarily theist in orientation, I think their approach has great validity even within a theist framework.

At its best, religion (or spirituality, religion’s more important component) can impart meaning to existence and guidelines for moral decision-making. I have found that the basic tenets of all religions are humility, forgiveness, service to others, etc. As such, religion could serve a role, for some, not necessarily for all, to provide comfort to the individual, encourage cooperation, and promote charity.

Unfortunately, religion historically frequently has accomplished the opposite. Hate, suspicion, exclusion, and violence have all been done in the name of religion.

What will be the role of religion when TSHTF? I think we will see a mix of good and bad, as we have seen in the past. In some areas, we may see local churches be an important focus for community organization and assistance. In other areas, religion will serve as an increasingly divisive and destructive element. Hate crimes, whether based upon religion, race, or some other issue, would seem likely to increase.

In my view, spirituality is a good thing, to include spirituality that does not encompass a belief in God. Religion, being a man-made edifice to codify spiritual beliefs, can be either used for good or bad. As such, religion will serve both of those purposes in the future, as it has in the past.

As I have mentioned on a previous post, I believe that the one of most important factors to keep in mind and to practice is tolerance. People believe in all manner of different things. Jesus versus Mohammed. Guns versus no guns. We cannot expect everyone to believe the same thing as a prerequisite to survival. Rather, we must tolerate those with different beliefs in order to survive.

  • Mon, Apr 13, 2009 - 07:15pm

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[quote=ccpetersmd]Okay, I’ll bite.[/quote]

You’re a glutton for punishment, my friend.  Smile

  • Tue, Apr 14, 2009 - 01:08am

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[quote=ccpetersmd]Okay, I’ll bite.[/quote]

You’re a glutton for punishment, my friend.  Smile

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Yes, perhaps. But, I’m a surgeon; I can deal with as much pain as I dish out! Wink

  • Tue, Apr 14, 2009 - 01:13am

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[quote=ccpetersmd][quote=c1oudfire] [quote=ccpetersmd]Okay, I’ll bite.[/quote] You’re a glutton for punishment, my friend.  Smile [/quote]Yes, perhaps. But, I’m a surgeon; I can deal with as much pain as I dish out! Wink[/quote]

LOL.  And you’re a brave soul with nerves of steel.  You be careful out there, ya hear?

  • Tue, Apr 14, 2009 - 05:54am

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    Re: Religion and peak oil

Lol, cloudfire you don;t have to worry, I won’t bite his head off I just wanted to start a discussion that I think others might find interesting.


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thank you for your response, I happen to agree with your feelings about tolerance towards others. Sadly, that doesn’t really describe most theists I have met. The evangelical dominionists are the ones that really scare me, the ones who think god put all the resources on the earth for us to us and we are required to us them all. Doesn’t exactly make me think they have my, or anyone’s, long term interests in mind. Luckily they aren’t the majority I think. 

I have to wonder if things really get bad will people primarily segregate themselves along religious lines?

  • Tue, Apr 14, 2009 - 10:55pm

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[quote=Zombie210] Lol, cloudfire you don’t have to worry, I won’t bite his head off I just wanted to start a discussion that I think others might find interesting. [/quote]

Sorry, Zombie. . .  those comments had nothing to do with you, and everything to do the the beating several of us took on the "Religion and Politics" thread.  Dr. Peters fearlessly jumped into the fray, persevered bravely, and only barely escaped with his life. . .  quite an epic tale, really. . . .

For reference, but not recommended as a bedtime story:

https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/why-religion-and-politics-should-never-be-combined/8176

 

 

  • Tue, Apr 14, 2009 - 11:36pm

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Ah cloud, I was there at the end of it.

I have to say I would rather we all talked it out here than wait to talk about it in person when TSHTF and we all have loaded guns to hand. 

BTW yes I would say everything I say here to someones face.

  • Wed, Apr 15, 2009 - 12:37am

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[quote=Zombie210] BTW yes I would say everything I say here to someones face. [/quote]

Sorry, Zombie, I don’t understand what this refers to . . .  did I miss something?

Sorry, also, that I didn’t remember that you were on that thread.  Bad memories (the thread in general, not your) fade quickly. 

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