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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2015 - 04:44pm

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    jgritter

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    Puzzled

Aaron,

Now I'm puzzled.  In reading your response (thank you, at adds a great deal to the thread), I find that I agree on almost every point.

 I don't know if you were being literal or figurative about the possible rise of an Islamic state in North America.  If you were being literal, I can't concur.  I have no difficulty imagining a Christian inspired, deranged and homicidal theocracy, but think it unlikely that a large muslim  movement would get much traction here.

We seem to be defining "Apex Predator" differently.  When I speak of an "Apex Predator" I am talking about a leader who actually is able to put together something effective, not a bunch of gang bangers running around tearing things up.  

Out of time for today, thanks again for you post,

John G

  • Mon, Mar 23, 2015 - 01:37am

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    Michael Frome

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    selco

Good tip on the Selco thing, thanks!

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2015 - 10:26pm

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    Aaron M

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    JGritter

Hi John, 

As to the Islamic State, I don't believe they will turn North America into an Islamic state. The historical context I was referring to was the initial spread of Islam, which took a region that was complicated, multicultural and diverse in it's belief systems, and through overwhelming force, spread like wildfire. A big part of that success was "Convert or Die". 

The most important takeaway was the "Convert or Die" mentality. It is, unsurprisingly, effective. It could be any ethos that adopts this MO, if things get bad enough, and I could see a violent Christian revival in certain regions. In general, religion makes me very cautious.

So as to where we disagree, I think that the main fulcrum is getting to that Apex, and your choices once that happens. If an organized, systematic apex predator created system of destruction and pillaging without being routed by a good defense, chances are, there are still things you could do to avoid being caught up with those dangerous people. 

The other disagreement was Urban vs Rural. I may have misread your intentions in the initial post, but it sounded like you thought you'd have no choice but to fall in with whatever evil sort of character came to power (or at least toe the line) and that rural survival would be bleak. 

While both are certainly possible, it'd be difficult to substantiate those being your only options (if that's what you meant) so really, I mean to say "stay positive". Forces of Good are at work as well, and will continue to be, even if they're reduced by circumstance. 

Cheers, and sorry if I misunderstood you,
Aaron

  • Mon, Mar 30, 2015 - 07:32pm

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    jgritter

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    Comply or Die

Aaron,

I think we're already seeing some of the "convert or die" taking place as reflected in the "Militarization of the police" thread.  We are being converted from "Home of the free and land of the brave" to "Shut up and do as you're told".

I think that the urban vs rural question will vary widely depending on a great many variables.

I was seeing the apex predator as someone who was highly effective rather then necessarily amoral or evil.  My hope is that there will be effective people who will be able to maintain the rule of law and the recognition of property and civil rights, and still be able to make the very hard calls that may be needed.  Someone who has what it takes to stop the rape and pillage even if it means killing those that would rape and pillage.  I believe that someone, sooner or later, is going to have to stake their life and stand their ground for the greater common good, history is full of such people.  I would hope that I might be, or stand with, such a person.  The prospect, however, is terrifying. " Die on your feet or live on your knees " may be cliche but there you have it.

I try to stay optimistic, but I admit to a bit of "a deer in the headlights" ☺ reaction when I look at the possibility of a generalized systemic collapse followed by mass starvation.  I think there is a very real possibility of this ending very, very badly.

John G

  • Thu, Apr 09, 2015 - 11:24am

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    Life in a war zone: How people in Ukraine adapt to Survive

A Ferfal reader sent him another article about how people are trying to survive in the Ukraine.  Ferfal summarizes the lessons (re-)learned at the end of his article.

http://www.ferfal.blogspot.com/2015/04/life-in-war-zone-how-people-in-ukraine.html

[Ferfal:] Thanks for the email and link.
It is very interesting indeed. These are the real-world experiences I always try to learn from. Sometimes its new ideas, sometimes its the revalidation of old ones, happening and being used yet again.

 

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