Real Unions in Australia – Red Union and the Vax Mandates

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  • Mon, Nov 29, 2021 - 02:22am

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    HPHovercraft

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    Real Unions in Australia – Red Union and the Vax Mandates

Unionism in Australia

Australia used to have a very significant history of unionism. I guess it still does. But for a long while, our unions have been very political. Paying union dues in Australia has tended to mean financing the Labor party. As in other countries, the definitely left leaning Labor party has increasingly become an identity politics (and more recently ‘the’ vax mandate) party. So I guess there is no real surprise that unions here, in the recent (what is more of a political than a biological) crisis, immediately sold out their members. This has provided an opportunity for comparatively depoliticised ‘real unions’ to emerge in Australia.

Judith Sloan (Spectator): Fake Unions are the Real Deal

‘Fake unions’ are the real deal

The Trajectory of Unions in Australia

Unsurprisingly, the unions became lazy, carrying excessive overheads and willing to donate any surpluses to their favourite political causes, which generally involved handing money over, directly or indirectly, to the Labor party. They also lost a lot of members because they failed to provide any real value. In the mid-1970s, just over half of workers belonged to a trade union; it is now around 14 per cent, and less than 10 per cent among private sector workers.

‘Fake Unions’ vs ‘Real Deal’ Unions

While acknowledging that these ‘fake unions’ were actually established as far back as 2014, the secretary of the ACTU, Sally McManus, is quoted as saying ‘These are fake unions run by LNP members and their associates set up to try and divide working people. This amounts to an LNP-sponsored anti-vaccination campaign which will directly and needlessly cause working people to contract a deadly virus’.

[C]omplaining about political connections is surely a bit rich from a union movement that has deep and powerful connections to the Labor party.

The basic pitch of these new ‘real deal’ unions is that they exist only to serve the interests of members. No financial or other contributions are made to political parties. Charging between half and three-quarters of the dues of old unions, they represent real value for members.

Graeme Haycroft (Founder): Total Red Union group memberships past 14000 and growing at about 1000 each week

Graeme Haycroft (Founder of Red Union, in the comments of the above article)

Just an update. Nurses are past 10,000 and others mainly teachers take the total Red Union group memberships past 14000 and growing at about 1000 each week. We are the only home for the passionate and freedom and choice loving people who make up about 20% of the population who have been abandoned by their unions. They also used to vote for the coalition but if our feedback from them is any guide they have been badly let down by them too. Looks grim ScoMo. The red unions are at least are not only fighting for them we will in the main surprise everyone by winning for them. Watch this space.

Red Union is from Queensland and this sounds oddly similar to the spectacular growth in the membership of the UAP (United Australia Party) that Queensland’s Clive Palmer has noted (and we have covered in this forum).

MCJReport Interview with Jack McGuire (Director, Red Union) Regarding the Vax Mandates





3.00 Interview

5.30 Risk assessments

8.00 How can people participate?

10.00 Jack: We are stretched

An Introduction to My Own Predicament

As will be clear from my other posts, I tend to accept that in Australia (as a traditional commonwealth country), we don’t really have any rights which can’t be trashed (or sold out) by a politician in an instant (parliamentary supremacy). Yet, given this history of unionism, Australian workers do have considerable protections which I don’t doubt mean that one can make things quite difficult for employers. It is also probably also true that it isn’t really clear what employers gain from vax mandates (do they really want to maim and kill their staff?).

In a subsequent post in this thread, I’ll outline more of my own predicament with (yet another) vax mandate and how I am responding to it. I’ve already had to dodge one. On this forum, I’ve occasionally bumped into Australians (and others) facing vax mandates. As we all know, posts on this forum tend to be very fleeting, and such posters also seem to have been rather fleeting. But, I had might as well ask, is there anyone else out there in a similar position?

HP

  • Mon, Nov 29, 2021 - 04:54am

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I’m not facing a mandate (yet) but I just joined Red Union and donated – I’m trying to support Oz groups standing up to mandates wherever I can find them.

  • Mon, Nov 29, 2021 - 07:13am

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😄 HP, I couldn’t dodge them (two out of two jobs/income streams – education and hospitality), so I will be a “lady of leisure” come mid December, since I flatly refuse to participate in this madness. Pragmatically, we have been working towards self reliance for nearly ten years, so it’s not a disaster. I have to keep reminding myself of that, as there are days where it frankly scares the shit out of me.

Fingers crossed down here in Tassie that you find a way to dodge this one too!

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HP– I have 4 weeks remaining until I need to decide to have my second jab or not. Given the injury from the first I am working towards the “not” but am equally working towards an exemption.  I appreciate the “choice” which is no choice really i.e. keep working or take the death jab is hard.  I am working class, support my family and my parents always relied on unions to help support their “rights”.   Simply put, my actions will have a massive impact on the rest of my family’s way of life, trying to remain positive about the looming leap, life will need to be very simple moving forwards.

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Thanks everyone,

I’m glad I’m not entirely alone here.

As I said, I’ll be posting more on this.


@TamHob

Thanks for supporting them. I’m likely to be joining you very soon.

@Taswegian

I don’t know whether it is too late to request a risk assessment from your employer? That way you can at least begin a sort of negotiation. I’ll have to post more about this (see the “Red Union Support” channel on youtube for interesting discussions of this (esp. Miles, I think it is – The guy on his own behind the black laptop). It seems to be the standard approach at present (and might be able to buy some time and space to maneuver). It at least forces them to consider alternatives.

HR guidance from Alma Besserdin

I also found the following very interesting:

https://rumble.com/vnsnby-australiaone-party-guidance-on-forced-vaccinations-for-employees-and-parent.html




3.00 Almer

It’s been a while since I listened to it, but I can remember Almer (who has a background in HR) being both interesting and forceful in her stance. They emphasise the point that you should make them fire you. Do you plan to go out in a blaze of glory?! I guess my main concern with that would be burning bridges.

If you can step out of this for a while that could be a sensible strategy. It seems Centrelink isn’t, as someone put it, “making people take the poison”.


@Aus

I’d be trying everything. As you noted very early on, they don’t seem to believe in exceptions. It think that it was Senator Rennick in an interview with Monica Smit (it would be on the RDA website) was saying that people with adverse reactions, rather than being treated were being told to have the next one. This has to be exceptionally difficult if you have dependents.

I’m a bit limited for time today. I’m in non-discretionary retail, I’ll probably try to provide an overview of that sector and perhaps some other stuff in my next post.

HP

  • Tue, Nov 30, 2021 - 04:54am   (Reply to #5)

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Someone posted here a few weeks ago that if you have to get the jab, IVM the day before, on the day and the day after.

Here is a place to get it.

Ivermectin 12mg (Iverheal-12) – 10 tablets

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@Taswegian

Also, their historical strength seems to be Nurses and Teachers. So they do have specific unions for them. Practically speaking, there isn’t a specific Red Union for my sector, retail. What they have done, as they say, mainly to deal with Victoria (which we have all heard about by now, as the centre of Australian authoritarianism), is set up an independent workers union.

HP

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@sandflyone- I took the protocol you suggested, still injured.  I am seeing an immunologist the vax has destroyed my immune system and I have a protocol developed once proven to “clean” my system of the vax.  see how it goes.

@HP- hardest decision of my life

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If the clot-shot works on carbon nano-razorblades, then no chemical is going to help.

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    Retail, My Predicament and Replies

Another Interview with Red Union – Monica Smit

This is another short interview with Red Union by Monica Smit (not all that different from the one above).




https://rumble.com/vpxytr-red-union-finally-a-union-that-actually-represents-the-people.html

As I said above for more in depth discussions of what they are doing and how they are going see their support channel. Esp. the incomparable Miles.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCASEKWxJJR0u-HBaNhGhCA

A good example (a pretty general discussion since it concerns Victoria):





A ‘real’ retail union

There is another real retail union, but perhaps because they lack breadth, they don’t seem to be as anti-mandate (pro-choice). I haven’t seen anything about the vax mandates on their webpages.

https://raffwu.org.au

https://raffwu.org.au/about/governance-finance/

The Retail and Fast Food Workers Union is not affiliated to any political party, and has no intention to become affiliated to a political party.

Coles Fake News

A rather impressive open letter was sent to Coles CEO and Chief Legal and Safety Officer

Open letter to Coles CEO and Chief Legal and Safety Officer

There was a story that they had reversed their decision but that would seem to have been fake.

My own predicament

I haven’t had anything to do with unions in decades. Indeed, I have a long history of doing everything I can to adapt to the needs of employers. For instance, for a long time at my current employer, I worked as what is called ‘a casual’ coming in to work, often at just an hours notice.

So, what I’ve begun to ask myself is, should I be putting up a fight over this, as, as far as I can see, there is comparatively little unvaxed work out there, if I am forced out of my current employment over this. Given this lack of options, I’m definitely leaning towards fighting this. Not that I’m really doing much more than asking them to consider my interests in this process (consider alternatives to a vax mandate (eg. testing), for instance), but this is probably much more than what they want to deal with.

I don’t know whether there are other people in this position in my specific workplace. Obviously, it is difficult to discuss this sort of thing in a largely vaxed society. The work I do is rather isolated as much as the workplace does contain a lot of people. But I naturally tend to function very independently, probably because I have a very unsupportive family background.

At present I’m joining various telegram groups related to this sort of thing. Social media is definitely not my strong suite, but these phone apps seem to be the way communication (if one wants to call it that), occurs these days.

It all seems rather chaotic so I’m still trying find out how things actually stand. No good news. One story of someone getting myocartitis on the first jab and being told that they would only be granted a stay of 3 months before they would have to take the second (evidence, if you ever needed it, that they are trying to kill people).

It seems some people have sent out risk assessment request letters and have got nothing substantive back apart from the occasional nasty letter. Perhaps this goes to substantiate the claim in the interview above, that most employers have done nothing or have nothing like what is required by the legislation.

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@Sandflyone

That site initally looked American but seems to be Indian (not that it makes that much difference). There used to be reports that it would not get through customs. @wemustspeakout had that problem in NZ and I think it was even the vetinary product in their case. So, that would probably be the crucial question. Any thoughts/evidence on this?

Regarding the protocol, I’d probably be taking a whole lot more ivermectin than that. There have been repeated reports (the latest I heard from Prof Petrovsky) that spike is in the blood of the vaxed for months following vaccination.


@Arthur
Robey

That doesn’t sound all that different to Dr Charles Hoffe’s description of the mechanism whereby they inevitably create blood clots.


@Aus

Very glad to hear you found someone who would talk with you about such important matters given the current 1930s climate.

HP

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