Re: Chris’ video “Help! Should I get a flu shot this year?”

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  • Thu, Oct 15, 2020 - 11:16am

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    Re: Chris’ video “Help! Should I get a flu shot this year?”

Chris still ignoring the gigantic Elephant in the Room?:

You don’t take flu/aluminum shots yourself, but you recommend other people do?!?!

It’s very logical to think recent flu vaccines (i.e. aluminum injections) hugely increases your susceptibility to SC2. Yet even if flu vaccines only had an attenuated pathogen and didn’t come with a bunch of neurotoxins, why not allow your body to do the work, knowing that all you really have to do is be healthy (primarily not having vitamin D deficiency)? I’ve been doing this for many years, I’m asymptomatic every year, yet I have no reason to think I don’t get exposed to the influenza virus like everyone else (except this year I guess).

It seems you somehow think that the flu virus is worse than huge doses of heavy metals… that’s by itself pretty crazy, given that flu (if you have a weak immune system) just makes you sick for a week or two, while some of the heavy metals reduce your IQ and energy and have longer lasting effects (sometimes life-long). Ethylmercury in GlaxoSmithKline’s flu vaccine (see image below) has a half-life of several weeks (they have the gall to claim this makes it low-toxicity because it has a shorter half-life than hypertoxic methylmercury). This fact makes it a non-starter, before considering ideas like the attenuated pathogen possibly causing some harm. If an aspirin came with any amount of aluminum and mercury, let alone a huge dose, would you ever take it? Only if you didn’t know anything about their toxicity or if you didn’t know they were in it because you believed/trusted who you shouldn’t. But neither would it be on the market because it would never be allowed because aspirin is categorized as a “drug”, unlike vaccines which have special no-safety-requirements status as “biologics”. And the companies are not liable for any damages. And you’re ignoring all this.

Why ignore the Giant Elephant In The Room? After everything you know about vitamin D crushing Covid risk, you don’t apply it to flu?? It’s a far better idea than a flu vaccine, EVEN if it didn’t come with aluminum and mercury and half a dozen or a dozen other toxins.

How can you blindly trust Big Pharma after you’ve seen them suppress HCQ and all the other cures while they push useless remdesivir and experimental vaccines?? And they CONTINUE to do it, it’s an ongoing act that is directly responsible for who knows how many thousands of deaths. Is it just because you worked at Pfizer at some point and can’t imagine this level of evil so you just ignore the data?

If you’re going to try to argue that heavy metals injected into your body is OK, then it would be great if you could state so… but ignoring the fact seems like moving away from integrity. Again, I challenge you to watch VAXXED to get some actual perspective on vaccines[-as-they-are-today] beyond the story we’ve been sold for so long. It is now time to fully question all stories, and wrap our heads around both sides of this story, so I ask:

Are you going to continue to leave unaddressed the facts about the ingredients of vaccines?

With that most important aspect addressed, what’s the real efficacy of flu vaccines? Even Wikipedia is forced to admit: “Tom Jefferson, who has led Cochrane Collaboration reviews of flu vaccines, has called clinical evidence concerning flu vaccines “rubbish” and has therefore declared them to be ineffective; he has called for placebo-controlled randomized clinical trials, which most in the field hold as unethical. His views on the efficacy of flu vaccines are rejected by medical institutions including the CDC and the National Institutes of Health, and by key figures in the field like Anthony Fauci.”

Oh, what a surprise, Fauci is the “key figure in the field” who decides what the evidence says. But independent meta-reviewers are dismissed/ignored because they’re not government agencies or “key figures in the field”.

You hear this from almost everyone you ask anyway, including lots of comments on your video. People who take the flu shot get the flu all the time and often worse cases. People who haven’t taken the flu shot for x years often haven’t had the flu since.

So I’m not sure you’ve looked as deeply into it as would be necessary/appropriate/integral.

  • Thu, Oct 15, 2020 - 07:03pm

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    Re: Chris’ video “Help! Should I get a flu shot this year?”

Many people who have watched VAXXED simply don’t agree for one reason or another. Maybe the problem is with some of the source material the documentary uses.

The the other issue might be that it isn’t a black or white issue.  Some vaccines might be a problem.  Others might not be.

 

 

 

  • Thu, Oct 15, 2020 - 09:37pm

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    Re: Chris’ video “Help! Should I get a flu shot this year?”

There is no good that comes from most vaccines.   Meaning most modern vaccines that are produced to make money and supposedly cure or prevent disease.   Diseases , most of which are not deadly or cause permanent harm.   Now if we are talking a more basic form of vaccine like small pox.. and something as deadly as small pox.. You sort dont have a choice.    And no flu is not deadly.. as far a disease, though it can kill someone very weak indirectly.    On the other hand,  COVID is deadly.  And it does kill healthy people and not weak people and it can make a lot of healthy people very very sick permanently.    So this risk/reward is sort of there.  Meaning if this were a developed on old principles and old technologies that have been proven “mostly safe”  not completely safe, the risk/reward would be there.  The problem is we have new vaccines, with new technology..  rushed to production, again new, and we are also talking about a disease that comes from a family of diseases associated with ADE like effects, and that does not impart immunity once given or the disease is acquired and you still can be reinfected later..   SO in the end it now fails the risk/reward being that most people do not develop the severe disease.

  • Thu, Oct 15, 2020 - 10:01pm

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    concepts vs execution

I think the concept of a vaccination is a good one – having a case of cowpox (which doesn’t hurt) protecting you from smallpox (which definitely does hurt) seems like a no-brainer trade-off.

Mercury seems like a bad thing.  Getting some every year – a really bad thing.  I too haven’t had a flu shot for decades.  Got the flu just once, before my discovery of NAC.  NAC doesn’t protect against the flu, but does prevent developing symptoms of it.

I saw a recent article on using a human corona virus as a form of vaccine for SC2 – as long as it is an inhaled vaccine w/o mercury – I’d be all for it.  It feels like more of a natural defense – the kind we see that children have these days.

Using the common cold virus as a naturally occurring vaccine to prevent COVID-19: Lessons from Edward Jenner

https://www.aging-us.com/article/5f85b99ce798ca0008c1366a/text

Of course, the US legal arrangement where companies that manufacture vaccines don’t have any legal liability for the injuries they cause – this suggests to me that a scam is going on.  If a product was so safe, why would the companies need such a carveout?  That doesn’t pass the sniff test.

And if you mandate a vaccine, well, that makes me even more suspicious.

So it is a complicated story.

  • Fri, Oct 16, 2020 - 02:30am

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    Re: Chris’ video “Help! Should I get a flu shot this year?”

There are a few problems with the Natural News infographic on mercury.

(1) It’s really incomplete to the point of being unhelpful to say “mercury” as if that’s a thing.  It’s really not.  Mercury comes in very different forms depending on its path through the world that brought it to you.  Elemental and ethyl mercury are very much not as bad as methyl mercury which itself is really not as bad as dimethyl mercury.

(2) Exposures depend on both the ppb AND the amount.  So a typical 0.5 ml vaccine that contains mercury (and not all do) has the same amount of mercury as a 3 ounce can of tuna.  The CDC – who we are all free to no longer trust – says this:

The CDC explains the difference between these compounds: “Methylmercury is formed in the environment when mercury metal is present. If this material is found in the body, it is usually the result of eating some types of fish or other food. High amounts of methylmercury can harm the nervous system […] Ethylmercury is formed when the body breaks down thimerosal. Low-level ethylmercury exposures from vaccines are very different from long-term methylmercury exposures because ethylmercury is broken down by the body differently and clears out of the blood more quickly.”

(3) Route of administration.  Here too I don’t know much because eating a substance and receiving it via injection are entirely different routes of administration.  Maybe having an injection is worse?  Maybe it’s better?  I simply don’t know.

All that said, it’s hard to make a determination if once-a-year exposure to ethyl mercury (assuming it’s even in the vaccine formulation being administered) is more harmful to a given population than some of them getting a bad case of the flu each year.

Maybe getting sick makes us stronger?  Maybe far fewer people would die or become life-long incapacitated if they didn’t get the flu.  Maybe there’s a much better way of administering these things like via nasal sprays?

A healthy culture would know these things.

A sick culture [sic] [sic, sic] lavishes untold trillions on Wall Street and remains incurious about the answers to such questions.

  • Fri, Oct 16, 2020 - 12:09pm

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    Re: Chris’ video “Help! Should I get a flu shot this year?”

I agree with tbp.  Why risk toxic exposures that could damage you for a vaccine that DOES NOT WORK!

Conclusion of the Cochrane review of flu vaccines from 2012:

But what does the evidence show about the effectiveness of the flu vaccine when vaccinated and unvaccinated groups are compared ?

Well, the finding of a comprehensive review of 50 published reports by the highly credible Cochrane Collaboration should discourage healthy people from getting the flu shot:

“The results of this review seem to discourage the utilisation of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine public health measure.
As healthy adults have a low risk of complications due to respiratory disease, the use of the vaccine may be only advised as an individual protection measure against symptoms in specific cases.”
Specifically, the EVIDENCE REFUTES the claims that the flu vaccine prevents the flu;

the EVIDENCE REFUTES the claim that it prevents viral transmission in healthy adults;

and  the EVIDENCE REFUTES the claim that the vaccine prevents complications and “saves lives.”

The EVIDENCE shows little or no benefit for influenza vaccinations.

Other reviews show similar lack of effectiveness for children and elderly.

  • Fri, Oct 16, 2020 - 12:17pm

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    Re: Flu Shots INCREASE COVID Risk

The University of California is mandating flu shots for all students, faculty and staff.  Robert F Kennedy JR’s Children’s Health Defense is suing them in response.

Dr. Janet Napolitano says mandatory flu shots will “lessen the chance of being infected with COVID.” However, prevailing research suggests that flu vaccines actually raise the risk from coronavirus infection.

A January 2020 US Pentagon study (Wolff 2020) found that the flu shot INCREASES the risks from coronavirus by 36%. “Receiving influenza vaccination may increase the risk of other respiratory viruses, a phenomenon known as “virus interference…’vaccine derived’ virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus…”

Many other studies suggest the increased risk of viral respiratory infections, including coronavirus, following vaccination for influenza.

A 2018 CDC study (Rikin et al 2018) found that flu shots increase the risk of non-flu acute respiratory illnesses (ARIs), including coronavirus, in children.
A 2011 Australian study (Kelly et al 2011) found that flu shots doubled the risk for non-flu viral lung infections.
A 2012 Hong Kong study (Cowling et al 2012) found that flu shots increase the risk for non-flu respiratory infections by 4.4 times.
A 2017 study (Mawson et al 2017) found vaccinated children were 5.9 times more likely to suffer pneumonia than their unvaccinated peers.

CHD Will Sue the University of California Over Mandatory Flu Vaccine Policy

  • Sat, Oct 17, 2020 - 09:10am

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    Re: Chris’ video “Help! Should I get a flu shot this year?”

Thank y’all for your replies, this is the level of discussion we need to bring this subject to.

@agitating prop
Many people who have watched VAXXED simply don’t agree for one reason or another. Maybe the problem is with some of the source material the documentary uses.

That’s fine regarding potential questionable/arguable source material, but state WHY you disagree with all the parents who witness their children regress into an autistic state straight after getting vaccines and then getting gaslighted by the “health authorities”, WHY you think THEY are wrong, but the CDC and FDA and NIH and the Dr. Faucis and liability-free Big Pharma companies are correct.

The the other issue might be that it isn’t a black or white issue. Some vaccines might be a problem. Others might not be.

That’s a good point, for instance when the industry does vaccine damage studies, they compare e.g. US MMR vaccinated children with Danish MMR vaccinated children, under the alleged assumption that they are the same, without providing any details or even mentioning the ingredients, such as the levels of aluminum (which should obviously be zero, but the difference between a little and a lot is indeed huge).

The underlying/parent problem however is the legal framework that allows them to put anything they want in the vaccines, without ever having to face any liability. That’s of course completely insane, and you’d be insane to trust them — especially given what you know now about Big Pharma.

@nordicjack
On the other hand, COVID is deadly. And it does kill healthy people and not weak people and it can make a lot of healthy people very very sick permanently.

No evidence of “permanently” although long-term does seem to happen in some people, yes (but we don’t know their health status, we don’t know if they’re only taking 1000 IU/day, if they didn’t use any effective treatment before allowing the virus to reach other ACE2-expressing organs beyond the lungs, etc etc). It’s only deadly IF you do everything you can to avoid using the known effective treatments AND if you have significant co-morbidities or are very old (look at the latest White House outbreak, many older folks but not a major deal even without the effective treatments we here know about). There remains a question of the degree to which the initial viral load/inocculum influences disease development/severity though, and I agree masks likely play a significant role in this (when used appropriately, i.e. not out in the open air with few people around as many governments are mandating).

The problem is we have new vaccines, with new technology.. rushed to production, again new, and we are also talking about a disease that comes from a family of diseases associated with ADE like effects, and that does not impart immunity once given or the disease is acquired and you still can be reinfected later.. SO in the end it now fails the risk/reward being that most people do not develop the severe disease.

This is ALL assuming good faith on the part of Big Pharma… The same ones that are suppressing all the Covid cures! They can put ANYTHING in vaccines (no quality control or long-term studies required) AND they have ZERO legal liability. And their purpose is to make shareholders money, not fixing people’s health thus putting themselves out of business. So do you honestly think for a moment that their vaccines (with possible exceptions, yes) aren’t designed to INCREASE potential customers, rather than DECREASE them? Hence the absurd amount of toxins that cause allergies, skin conditions, organ toxicities, and even neurodevelopmental disorders in sensitive children who don’t yet have a developed blood-brain barrier, and the absurd numbers of vaccine shots in the first years of life (is it up to 72 now?). It’s pretty slam dunk if you ask me.

@davefairtex
I think the concept of a vaccination is a good one – having a case of cowpox (which doesn’t hurt) protecting you from smallpox (which definitely does hurt) seems like a no-brainer trade-off.

Smallpox is an interesting case, and may be one in which vaccines were/are useful, agreed.

@Chris Martenson
(1) It’s really incomplete to the point of being unhelpful to say “mercury” as if that’s a thing. It’s really not. Mercury comes in very different forms depending on its path through the world that brought it to you. Elemental and ethyl mercury are very much not as bad as methyl mercury which itself is really not as bad as dimethyl mercury.

Yes, but that’s like comparing crack cocaine with cocaine and methamphetamine. They’re all very harmful to your body, but cocaine (ethylmercury) is less harmful… In my estimation, using reasonable doses of 250mg of cocaine daily for 3 weeks (very common among MSM, Hollywood, politicians…) is likely FAR LESS harmful than one hit of that amount of ethylmercury courtesy of GSK (especially if using antioxidants with the cocaine, which most people don’t do with injected heavy metals)… but in any case how do you justify putting any amount of it, much less THAT amount, in vaccines?

(2) Exposures depend on both the ppb AND the amount. So a typical 0.5 ml vaccine that contains mercury (and not all do) has the same amount of mercury as a 3 ounce can of tuna. The CDC – who we are all free to no longer trust – says this:
The CDC explains the difference between these compounds: “Methylmercury is formed in the environment when mercury metal is present. If this material is found in the body, it is usually the result of eating some types of fish or other food. High amounts of methylmercury can harm the nervous system […] Ethylmercury is formed when the body breaks down thimerosal. Low-level ethylmercury exposures from vaccines are very different from long-term methylmercury exposures because ethylmercury is broken down by the body differently and clears out of the blood more quickly.”

Yeah this is what I said, that they have the chutzpah to claim ethylmercury is no big deal simply because it’s less toxic than other forms such as methylmercury. We’re poisoning you with known neuro- and immunotoxins but it’s OK because worse toxins exist. And injected instead of oral, and in children without a developed BBB!!!!

(3) Route of administration. Here too I don’t know much because eating a substance and receiving it via injection are entirely different routes of administration. Maybe having an injection is worse? Maybe it’s better? I simply don’t know.

Of course you know! Oral administration has to pass by first-pass metabolism, the body’s first line of defense! IIRC less than 1% of ingested aluminum is absorbed (this is why there are aluminum-based antacids, also very unhealthy but not deadly). Not sure about mercury (pretty sure it’s higher than aluminum though), which is even more toxic than aluminum in small amounts.

How toxic can mercury be? Have a look at how bad it is:

That’s 2 drops on her skin that she rapidly removed… but it was too late. Imagine INJECTING it, whether in a methylated (carbonated+hydrogenated) form or ethylated (double methylated) form. Ethylation makes it slightly less toxic as it’s easier to eliminate, but it’s still one of the worst substances you could put into your body. It’s hard to see the act of putting heavy metals in vaccines given to young children as anything but a major crime against humanity. And look at the dose!

All that said, it’s hard to make a determination if once-a-year exposure to ethyl mercury (assuming it’s even in the vaccine formulation being administered) is more harmful to a given population than some of them getting a bad case of the flu each year.

But a bad case of flu ONLY happens if you’re vitamin D deficient, or majorly deficient in other immuno-relevant nutrients, or have autoimmune conditions (often induced by these very vaccine adjuvants), or have metabolic syndrome or are very old… cases in which the flu vaccine is known to have the highest “side”-effects anyway (due to being more sensitive to the toxins i.e. having a harder time dealing with the toxic insult). It’s hard to determine only because no studies have been done, but it’s not hard to determine when you know all the circumstantial evidence regarding the extreme corruption in Big Pharma. What evidence are YOU waiting for to make such a probabilistic determination?

Maybe getting sick makes us stronger? Maybe far fewer people would die or become life-long incapacitated if they didn’t get the flu. Maybe there’s a much better way of administering these things like via nasal sprays?

It’s a general adage is many/most/all cultures that what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, and this is very well-known for infectious diseases. I’m told I was at a rubella party (I think it was?) when I was very young.

A healthy culture would know these things.

A sick culture [sic] [sic, sic] lavishes untold trillions on Wall Street and remains incurious about the answers to such questions.

Yep, and a healthy culture wouldn’t allow vaccine manufacturers to turn them into customer-generating bioweapons with no possible legal consequence. Allow Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to explain HOW it happened:

  • Sat, Oct 17, 2020 - 12:13pm

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    mercury and the mad hatter

The video on acute mercury poisoning is interesting, but neglected to note that the mercury vapour is highly toxic and needs to be handled under a fume hood (not mentioned) so 2 drops on a glove (if latex there is no protective value, or nitrile effective if no holes and good quality gloves (not the bulk pack)). so my guess , with the omissions mentioned, it was acute, on chronic exposure, toxicity. The validity of the presentation is limited.

  • Sat, Oct 17, 2020 - 01:46pm

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    More Information

For any interest out there, the following links have:

a general list of the season’s approved flu vaccines –

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/lot-release/influenza-vaccine-2020-2021-season

more detailed specifics in the “Approved Vaccines” section links on this page –

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/influenza-virus-vaccine-safety-availability

For more specifics, for example, select a specific vaccine type, (e.g. adjuvanted) –

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/influenza-vaccine-adjuvanted

select the product/vaccine name, and then select the “package insert” link and read through to see manufacturing specifics/composition (typically the “description” section), other details, and study information.

Happy hunting.

 

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