RaTG13 existence being questioned

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  • Fri, Jun 05, 2020 - 09:37am

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    RaTG13 existence being questioned

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202006.0044/v1

  • Fri, Jun 05, 2020 - 06:53pm

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Wow – as scandalous as it was Lancet Gate is a sideshow compared to what this reveals.

Great to see that scientists have taken a breath and are back to fundamentals – challenging the data underpinning a lot of assumptions that have been made, and used, as the basis for the expenditure of Trillions of dollars – especially the multi-billion dollar advances to Big Pharma.

 

 

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Much of this paper is relying upon the unfounded assumption that RaTG13 was sequenced in 2013 but not published until 2020. Nowhere in the Nature paper by Zhou et al does it state that RaTG13 was sequenced in 2013. It simply states that the sequence was obtained from a bat sample TAKEN in 2013. Thus, there is no reason to conclude that RaTG13 was ‘forgotten’ about for 7 years and then ‘conveniently’ re-appeared.

It might well be that RaTG13 is the same as  BtCoV/4991,  a partial sequence of which was published in 2016. And, yes, until SARS-COV2 came along, the authors did not pay much attention to it. The head of the WIV has already explained why. AT THE TIME when BtCoV/4991 was found, it did not meet their criteria for further investigation. At the time, they were looking for viruses 90% plus related to previous SARS type viruses. This one did not fit the bill. Its significance did not appear until SARS–COV2 was sequenced. Then it was realised to be an important virus.

So, once again, we are seeing conspiracy theorists finding a  ‘smoking gun’ when there is no smoking gun.

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 02:29pm

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but what you seem to propose is also a theory, correct?

We all know that when people use the term “Conspiracy Theory” it is to stop others from researching a subject that maybe some poeple don’t want researched anymore. Just look up how this term started being used during the JFK investigation.

Maybe we should call your theory a “Coincidence Theory”.

Anytime I read someone trying to make a point on a forum by using the term conpiracy theory, I pretty much assume they have no data or facts.

  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 05:29pm

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Well kudos to WIV they certainly were Johnny on the spot in figuring out one of their passed over unimportant virus’s from 7 years ago was SARS Cov2 cousin. BTW , I wonder how much information did they gather about rat before they realized it wasn’t what they were looking for.. odd that they had such a narrow criterion

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The RaTG13  being too unimportant to study story makes less and less sense..

  • Tue, Jun 16, 2020 - 11:48am

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Thx for the link. Good video, that guy seems to be pretty bright. Long tho. I wish they could release an edit of just the important parts.

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