Possible future Solution 2.0 (with paragraphs)

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 WOW, we have that now in the money system but you could be robbed
and killed for your money or all your retirement money lost.     I
think you’re barking up the wrong tree, and not thinking.      [/quote]

Q1) Are you ever going to tell us who gets to program your cards?  

Q2) Have you even watched the Crash Course?

 

  • Sat, Feb 21, 2009 - 09:53pm

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Loved the quote from Einstein. Maybe you have got the problem identified if the problem is money (forced cooperation).

Do other species get cards too?

Don’t get me wrong; what you are doing is brave and you are taking a lot of flack for it. We need more ideas. Blame gets us a dispirited consensus. 

Not old visions with new plans but new visions with no plans (after Daniel Quinn).

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Yes I have watched the crash course.  As for the cards, well you yourself will program it.  You will put your skill/education level and other important info.  And if you end up doing medical, farming, or whatever, you will have access to food, clothing, shelter and so on.  You will also build up vacation time, or sick time and retirement.  Although retirement would work differently.  
 
As for our money system, I am aware of all the arguments of fiat vs. gold, and how gold is king.  Keeps government small and makes a higher standard of living for people, but like I said this is for the future generations to consider.  We are always emerging, From Barter to gold, to fiat, as population grows so does our way of thinking.  Einstein summed it up best:  "NO PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED WITH THE LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS THAT CREATED IT" 
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I get to program my own card???

OK, let’s say I’m a carpenter.  What, do I get to tell the card how every door I produce is worth whatever much food, drink, vacation time, medical care I want?

How much sense does that make?

 

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It’s my favorite quote, I use it every time I debate someone about this very topic.  I know money is the problem.  We waste to much time, resources, human potential on the money system.  It’s gonna have to go eventually.  I am just suggesting a solution or baby steps until our civilization can function on a pure resource based economy.  Thanks Don.
 
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NO, that is not how vision it.  Your skill/education level would put you to work on housing developments.  The local computer database you inform you of how many doors would be needed in a certain area and it has decided that you and 50 other men are qualified to do such work.  Then as long as you do your work, then you can have your access to a higher standard of living.  Under a money system you would worry about being unemployed after your job is done, then if you lost your job, then no power for your house because you would be behind on your bills and so on.  Under the card system, if you work then you will have less worries as opposed to the problems under a money system.  
 
It’s all about solving future problems with new ways of thinking and doing things.  Why try to solve the problems of 2030 with a money system, knowing that the same cycle will repeat.  It’s like trying to solve future TRANSPORTATION problems with the old transportation system of the 1800’s it does not work. 
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Well PAT, you program your own card now in a way.  You Program a RESUME right?  or create one.   
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[quote]  Your skill/education level would put you to work on housing
developments.  The local computer database you inform you of how many
doors would be needed
in a certain area and it has decided that you and
50 other men are qualified to do such work.  Then as long as you do your work, then you can have your access to a higher standard of living [/quote]

I will ask this question a third and final time:   Who writes the formula that determines how much value my doors are worth????  The computer doesn’t program itself.  Who does program it??

I don’t see how this would prevent unemployment.  What if 50 doors are needed but there are 100 carpenters who could together make 200 doors?  What if nobody needs what you happen to be good at because there is an oversupply in the market?

 

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Yes I have watched the crash course.  As for the cards, well you yourself will program it.  You will put your skill/education level and other important info.  And if you end up doing medical, farming, or whatever, you will have access to food, clothing, shelter and so on.  You will also build up vacation time, or sick time and retirement.  Although retirement would work differently.  
As for our money system, I am aware of all the arguments of fiat vs. gold, and how gold is king.  Keeps government small and makes a higher standard of living for people, but like I said this is for the future generations to consider.  We are always emerging, From Barter to gold, to fiat, as population grows so does our way of thinking.  Einstein summed it up best:  "NO PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED WITH THE LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS THAT CREATED IT" 

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Joe,

Since you threw the "straw man" out there for comment, you have to take the lumps. Yell (ouch!)

Your concept, like so many others that have been suggested, fails due to a reality check. You, and all the others, assume an altruistic society will magically develop. Never has – never will. Humans ain’t wired that way, son!

However, kudo’s for trying to come up with an alternative – new idea’s are always welcome here, even if they do get battered about a bit.  Wink

BTW, these comment blocks include a built-in spell-checker when you’re replying. Takes moments to use.

  • Sat, Feb 21, 2009 - 10:29pm

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If nobody need what you can provide, then you can go to education centers to better yourself to obtain a job.  
 
As for programming, if it’s in the system that a certain development needs 50 or 100 doors and you have provided information that with your skill level you can create 4 doors a day a calculation would be printed out that would tell you how long it should take you to finish your project.  As long as you are pretty close to the scheduling you will be able to provide for yourself and family.  Hope that clears that up. 
 
As for the other people who are not needed, they can go to the education centers and obtain greater knowledge for a better job.  Being in school would allow you access to things too, but you would also have to do some low grade job until you want whatever it is that you are studying.   
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