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  • Sat, Feb 21, 2009 - 07:21pm

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  I did answer your question.  voting would take place until the right technology comes along to govern and make resource based decisions.  
 
Your in 1984 now Pat.  
 
People can rob you of your gold and money but not your time and effort.
 
 
 No one can rob a bank or kill you for money your under a card system.  No one sells illegal drugs cause money is the motive.  
 
Your time and effort is the measurement used to decide what you can have.  we have that today under our money system but it’s not exactly working out.  Look at the poverty around the world, that says it all.  
 
 
 
 
  • Sat, Feb 21, 2009 - 07:22pm

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YOU’RE IN 1984 now.  Just caught that.  
  • Sat, Feb 21, 2009 - 07:25pm

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Thanks for the paragraphs 😉

Strangely enough this misuse of resources is covered nicely in ‘The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist’ by Robert Tressel (??) first book that really changed my life. I think you would really enjoy that if you have not already read it.

I only scanned the replies but Patrick, no need to choose who elects selects positions – natural ability in specific areas will suffice. For example I know some graphic designers who would jump out of the window before handling programming code and vice versa. Plato mentioned related issues in the republic – basically people should only take on positions of responsibiliy only because of their sense of duty not their yearnings for power.

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Aha, and once this technology is devised, who programs the code that defines what everyone’s time and effort are worth?

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Very good points.  Sounds like a great read.  I’ll add that to my list.  Thanks 
  • Sat, Feb 21, 2009 - 08:10pm

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If you’re a nurse and your neighbor is a high tech farmer, then both of you have value and skill, so there would be no stopping either of you from obtaining food and clothing for yourself.  
 
There would be ranking, but remember we are talking about satisfying the needs of people not being greedy.  
 
Think about how many people get screwed over by the money system.  All the victims of mr. Maddoff (who should be burned alive) and all the countries that have corruption due to money.  Think about child sex trade, human traffic trade, black market trade, drug trade, suicide because some investor lost money for his his clients, suicide from gambling, someone killing themselves because their life insurance policy would provide for their family.  Being worried about someone’s worth should be of no concern as long as they are being a contributor.  Unless you want to keep a money system and live with all those problems listed above.  
 
Money is the root of all evil, we see it everyday with a blind eye.  
 
 
You can always be robbed of your money but not your time and effort.  
 
 
  • Sat, Feb 21, 2009 - 08:15pm

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[quote] If you’re a nurse and your neighbor is a high tech farmer, then both
of you have value and skill, so there would be no stopping either of
you from obtaining food and clothing for yourself.   There would be
ranking, but remember we are talking about satisfying the needs of
people not being greedy.   Think about how many people get screwed over
by the money system.  All the victims of mr. Maddoff (who should be burned alive) and
all the countries that have corruption due to money.  Think about child
sex trade, human traffic trade, black market trade, drug trade, suicide
because some investor lost money for his his clients, suicide from
gambling, someone killing themselves because their life insurance
policy would provide for their family.  Being worried about someone’s
worth should be of no concern as long as they are being a contributor.
Unless you want to keep a money system and live with all those
problems listed above.   Money is the root of all evil, we see it
everyday with a blind eye.    You can always be robbed of your money
but not your time and effort.    [/quote]

Don’t you see that your system is robbing everyone of their money, and putting all control over their time and effort into the hands of whoever the elites that would program these cards are????

We do not have a perfect system, but its orders of magnitude more fair than what you propose.  Have you thought of how many people would commit suicide under your system due to how totalitarian it is?  

Seriously, think about what you are saying!

  • Sat, Feb 21, 2009 - 09:19pm

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Don’t you see that NO IT’S NOT.  The money system is the problem PAT!.  I agree no system is perfect, there is no such thing.  You’re worried about robbing people of MONEY.  So you’re advocating the sam old system that brings about the problems we face today, and creates pointless careers for people such as insurance, accounting, bond traders.  At the fundamental level we are misusing resources and human potential.  
 
 Think about it this way, let’s say you and 2 other people are stuck on an island.  One person has a knife, the other has some flint, and you Pat have $100.  Now ask yourself what has REAL VALUE?  
 
All money even gold has no value.  Unless you are going to use gold for some kind of non economic reason.  
 
What I am saying is that in the future, we cannot be able to function on a money system and expect people/society to function in a more civilized way.  No way, not gonna happen.  ALso you fail to realize that the money system eventually fails no matter what.   I said earlier that People only have jobs because it has not been automated yet.  So over time when more and more people are not needed due to technology, where is their purchasing power going to come from?  You honestly think we are going to make pointless paper pushing jobs, just so someone can say I Have A Job?  Pleeze.  
 
The elite people you worry about would not be in power.  After major social breakdown of our current economic system the people will self correct themselves and realize politicians and bankers are NO GOOD.  
 
 
ANYONE CAN ROB YOU OF YOUR MONEY, BUT NO ONE CAN ROB YOU OF YOUR TIME AND EFFORT. 
 
 
  • Sat, Feb 21, 2009 - 09:26pm

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[quote] ANYONE CAN ROB YOU OF YOUR MONEY, BUT NO ONE CAN ROB YOU OF YOUR TIME AND EFFORT.   [/quote]

Yes, someone can rob you of your time and effrort – the people who program your cards who determine what your time and effort is worth.

Money didn’t create the crash.  Fiat money did.  There is a profound difference. One is the product of work, the other is a counterfeit product.  

You’re barking up the wrong tree.

  • Sat, Feb 21, 2009 - 09:30pm

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WOW, we have that now in the money system but you could be robbed and killed for your money or all your retirement money lost.    
 
I think you’re barking up the wrong tree, and not thinking.  
 
 
 
 
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