Plans for NWO? Plans for Global Governance.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2009 - 04:32pm

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    Re: Plans for NWO? Plans for Global Governance.

castle –

Interesting read.  I’m not sure there is anything in this article other than a statement that the world’s economic woes are too big for the G8 or G20 (duh) and all players need to be allowed into the game if we want to have a hope of fixing this mess.

Would it make you feel better if this sentence were changed from:

"The U.S. and Europe, who have dominated the G-8, now have little option too but to accept a new world order."

to

"The U.S. and Europe, who have dominated the G-8, now have little option too but to accept a level of cooperation from countries outside the G8."

Any significance to the fact that "new world order" was in lower case lettering as opposed to the spooky dark "New Wolrd Order" in title case?

  • Thu, Apr 02, 2009 - 04:37pm

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Just to comment in isolation (instead of on the larger thread) on your last post here, castlewp, and the link you provided.

What is hilarious to me is the media’s reliance on the phrase "new world order." It’s used as if it’s a single word and not a phrase. Typically in journalism and writing in general, authors are always trying to trot out synonymous phrases to liven things up a bit.

So I ask, why does CNN consciously choose the phrase "new world order" to headline their article with?

Why not the synonymous phrases, "retooled global infrastructure," "restructured governmental models," or "revamped global system"?

Years ago it seemed like conspiracy theorists like G. Edward Griffin — who wrote "The Creature from Jekyll Island" — could only point to George H. W. Bush’s one-time (I believe) use of the phrase "new world order." Now it seems this phrase has gone viral and everyone is blabbering about it from Henry Kissinger to Gordon Brown to the mainstream media — who are using it rather uncritically I think.

This trajectory we’re on is giving the Alex Jones’ of the world tons of credibility in many people’s eyes and lots to talk about. The wild thing to me is that what Alex Jones has been talking about for years may actually come true down to some of the finer points in the very near future. Now that doesn’t mean the reasons would be the same or even give him the credibility he lacks in most people’s eyes, but it sure would be one heck of a coincidence.

I mean, when CNN says that the "financial crisis" may very well lead to a "new world order" and a "global currency," I have to admit I really don’t know what to think. I would have thought all this stuff completely beyond the pale just six months ago.

  • Thu, Apr 02, 2009 - 04:55pm

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[quote=DrKrbyLuv]

Moderator Jason – how do you consider this thread a "conspiracy theory" when the documents and quotations may all be verified?  For example, "The International Institutions and Global Governance Program" papers published by the CFR are available for public download.  In light of the G20 summit, these issues and concerns are very relevant and timely. 

Can you define a conspiracy theory for me?  And please, explain how this particular topic, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Unveils Global Governance Agenda constitutes a conspiracy theory – can you site what specific part is a conspiracy?

Indeed, massive change is upon us and it is vitally important that we
understand the geopolitics that are increasingly driving our economy.  Your policy decision to implement nebulous censorship is a major disappointment.

Larry

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Indeed, I agree. Where is the theory and where is the conspiricy? Any of this information concerning the NWO is available for anyone that wishes to educate themselves them on the subject.

Kissinger, Bush the elder and many others have publically announced that this is where the world is heading. Every president since Carter (with the possible exception of Reagan) have been globalists. Well, what does that mean? It means they want a one world government with international courts and a global monetary system. Don’t believe me? Ask them, they don’t hide it.

To me, the NWO detractors are simply ignorant on the subject or have not thought of the dire consequences a world government would have on them as individuals and I tend to brush them off as such.

Look at what big government has brought us just in the U.S.  The country is bankrupt. Crime is so prevelant in some areas it isn’t safe to go out at night. Our kids cannot be allowed to play outside unsupervised for fear of abduction. Cameras are everywhere recording information about you as an individual that might surprise some. They are graduating kids in some of our schools that cannot read. It is all the average man can do to keep gas in the car, food on the table and the lights on.

And some want this mess expanded globally? If one loves the way Katrina was handled one will love this new world order.

If a poll were taken in the U.S., I would bet a dollar to a donut that there are far more of us educated in this subject in today’s time than there are of those ignorant to the fact that the NWO is not a theory or conspiricy, but a fact of life. The debate on this was over 20 years ago.

 

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    Re: Conspiracy book needs burned

larry

you are obviously a broken machine you need ot go in for repairs. what nwo what conspiracy?

you know larry i bet you are a beer drinker ………..now if you were to switch to a single malt scotch you would give up all these ideas of nwo and conspiracies.

you know the sinking of the lusitania was a conspiracy theory untli they recently found millions of rounds of ammunition on board. sometimes you just have to wait a little while ………….like till all the perps are dead.

you now are finding out why krogoth left

  • Thu, Apr 02, 2009 - 05:42pm

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    Re: Plans for NWO? Plans for Global Governance.

Dogs_In_A_Pile – thanks for the nice words and no doubt you’re right, I may have been too cynical in the way I challenged a moderator.  Like many others, I read the "The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve" which is listed under the "essential books" section of this website – I take this as an endorsement. 

The original post of this thread is very consistent with the content of G. Edward Griffin’s fine book.  Maybe someone may explain to me how on one hand, this site celebrates his book while at the same time – we aren’t allowed to discuss the thesis or link it with other geopolitical events.  

By lumping this topic together with "conspiracy theories" we are limiting our ability to recognize both the causes and effects of the "massive change that is upon us."

I’m not looking for confrontation but I do request some clarification – if the owners of this forum see this thread as an unwelcome conspiracy theory, no problem, I can politely find the exit.

Larry

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I have one question,

Assuming everyone on this site is made to believe in not just the existence, but the complete plan of the NWO gang, what next? Is there some action(s) we are not taking that we should?

Rog

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Larry –

I think mainecooncat is on target – "retooled global infrastructure," "restructured governmental models," or "revamped global system".  Where do we transition from semantics to creative interpretation to weirdness?

The line blurs between an expressed desire to improve the existing system and the ideas of those who would extrapolate the initial desire to a bunch of rich fat guys sitting in some austere and gloomy house in Vienna smoking cigars and snorking brandy while the rest of us serfs work on the mud farms to make them richer???? 

Maslow Level 5 on one hand, The X Files on the other.  Which do you think is more likely?

  • Thu, Apr 02, 2009 - 06:28pm

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[quote=DrKrbyLuv]

By lumping this topic together with "conspiracy theories" we are limiting our ability to recognize both the causes and effects of the "massive change that is upon us."

Larry

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Larry;

I think that the issue is not so much whether any given theory has merit, or whether it’s appropriate to discuss such matters.  I doubt that a majority of CM members would want a ban on all such discussions.

I think the issue is whether it’s appropriate to focus on conspiracies, here on CM. 

There are many fine (and not-so-fine) websites and books that do an excellent job of "connecting the dots", for those who are not content with the mainstream version of history and the news.  The world probably doesn’t need another forum for discussing those topics in depth. 

From having reviewed the Crash Course, and Chris’s mission, it seems clear that it’s his intent to focus on solutions that are actionable at a local level.  This site is his creation, and as his guests, we should respect his intentions.  That having been said, Chris seems to be generous of heart, and willing to provide for some peripheral discussion of speculation regarding the causes of our predicament.  It is our responsibility, as considerate guests, to honor the occasion of the party to which he’s invited us (community in a world of peak everything), while generally having a good time.  The usual courtesies apply, as at any party*:

  • Follow the lead of the host . . . it’s his party.
  • Share your views, but don’t hammer them home.
  • If this isn’t your kind of party, don’t try to force it.
  • Humor is fine, but making others the butt of your jokes is unseemly. 

Larry, on a personal note, I must say that your presentations of information have been excellent, but truly, (and I say this in all kindness), I fear that you waste your time and talent preaching to the unconvertable.  Some folks just like to bicker, and seem to thrive on chewing up the time of well-intended persons, like yourself.

 

*  Please note that these are general rules of courtesy, an I am in no way implying that you personally have broken them.  There are, however, individuals who routinely act in a manner that would put them on my "do not invite" list.

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[quote=R_Eddy]

I have one question,

Assuming everyone on this site is made to believe in not just the existence, but the complete plan of the NWO gang, what next? Is there some action(s) we are not taking that we should?

Rog

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I don’t have knowledge of any particular action that one can take other than the preparedness  precautions the people on this forum are already brainstorming and undertaking.

I think that education (and brainstorming) as to what is coming is my primary goal in these discussions. For example, do any of us believe that the NW government will be a democracy or a republic as is the U.S.?

I don’t see how it could be one…..there are few countries like the U.S in the world as a whole and it is the entire world being governed. Wouldn’t it be more likely that the NWO will be conglomeration of what presently exists? Not quite a dictatorship and not quite a democracy but something toward the middle?

And then who will this socialist government buy grain from, Mars?…..Tongue out

 

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I for one really miss Krogoth’s posts!

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