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  • Fri, Feb 19, 2010 - 03:07pm

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[quote=Mike Pilat]

Davos –

I know you can appreciate the Cheney doctrine: Perception lags reality.

This guy made a number of missteps, yes. But he basically made it sound like his life has sucked for 20 years. Perhaps many of the people out there that have or are in the process of losing everything do not yet perceive the reality of their situation and their prospects for the future that they previously envisioned. If this is the case, then it is a more difficult issue because it can be difficult to predict just when perception will catch back up to reality.

Re: the red pill you speak of: I think disillusionment would be the key word to describe the emotion that people will feel when they eventually learn the truth. And this will test many people like they’ve never been tested before. This is a looming societal problem that is on the horizon and will be more and more clear as perceptions catch up. There will be more disillusionment with politics, foreign policy, the economy, you name it. Think about the emotions felt by those returning from Vietnam…ouch!

I think we’re in the midst of a long term, cultural shift. This could take decades to play out fully. I do hope, however, that individuals like Chris and ourselves can explain this to others and show them a better way before they completely lose it. If everyone starts doing what this man did, society will be much worse off and government will be ironically even more draconian. Intellect, rationality, and pragmatism will win, and this is why I support Chris.

 

[/quote]+1 Well put Mike!

Yeah, I read that in O’Neill’s book, according to him it was actually a guiding principle of that administration. Amazing, pull the wool over their face, we’ll be the h*ll out of office by the time they figure it out.

Anyway I agree with what you wrote. My only point was I’m beginning to think Celente left out or missed the disillusionment part of the equation. 

I totally agree that we are at a turning point, Jim Quinn writes a lot about that.

Take care

  • Fri, Feb 19, 2010 - 03:14pm

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I want to echo the sentiment that Gerald Celente’s quote says it all.

But here’s the scary part: This particular guy had a Piper Cherokee, which because it’s an airplane and rhymes with 9/11 the media will have a field day with. But in truth, we’re talking about a 3,000 lb airplane that only goes 140 knots or so. It makes great pictures for the MSM to broadcast and I’m sure he killed a few people with this stunt. But at the end of the day the death toll is going to look like a really bad drunk driver accident, and little more.

So what happens when an ex-special forces military-trained killing machine type of dude “looses everything, has nothing left to loose, and loses it”? I don’t know enough about military stuff to estimate what kind of damage someone who knew what they are doing could do, but it would be a hell of a lot worse than this.

What Celente doesn’t mention is that this stuff is contagious. When a LOT of people “loose everything and then loose it”, it sends an unconscious message to others who are on the edge. Some day this bad attitude stuff is going to spread to a guy who was trained by the U.S. Military on how to take out a city, and he’s going to do it.

Certainly, this man’s actions should be condemened. But the SOLUTION to the problem is not condemnation of those who loose it. The solution lies in solving the societal problems that are causing so many Americancs to “loose everything and have nothing left to loose”.

Erik

 

  • Fri, Feb 19, 2010 - 03:18pm

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The right is claiming he is the left’s fault because of the communism line at the end.

Glenn Beck calls him a murderer and begs that we all realize that violence is not the answer.

The left calls him a domestic terrorist although they agree with most of his diatribe they don’t like his murderous tactics.

 

The polarizing parties cannot correlate the apparently opposing views for and against “big” government.  But, many previously middle class americans probably can.   He will not become a poster child for any group because his views are too nuanced.  But, he made the point:  people are mad and some of them aren’t going to take it any more.

 

 

 

And:  HMOs need better mental health coverage.

  • Fri, Feb 19, 2010 - 03:36pm

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What happens when ex-military person goes nuts, he takes a tank for a joyride in the city. (this link was not working earlier but they said they were fixing it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EovNJzjyH2Y

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[quote=rowmat]

As just watch to where the blame will be directed!

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At the “terrorists”. 

And you know who will be branded terrorists, right? 

Anyone with a big enough mouth to speak out. 

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So what happens when an ex-special forces military-trained killing machine type of dude “looses everything, has nothing left to loose, and loses it”? I don’t know enough about military stuff to estimate what kind of damage someone who knew what they are doing could do, but it would be a hell of a lot worse than this.

[/quote]McVeigh and I don’t believe he was Special Forces.

  • Fri, Feb 19, 2010 - 04:15pm

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Yes, and twenty years down the line, we are going to have Iraqi war veterans that will likely be much more disillusioned than the ones from Nam. From those that I have talked to, “typical” platoons have the majority of members in their early ’20s and divorced once already (some twice). Coming back to a shattered economy where there are no jobs and you have permanent disabilities (mental too!) and no family to return to has to be one of the most disillusioning scenarios imaginable. That’s not to say that all or even most veterans are in this position, but my sense is that the disillusionment will be far worse than Vietnam.

Like Erik said, the solution is to address and correct a system that often facilitates these sort of events. While this recent man might have been alone in his “solution” to our nation’s problems, he is most certainly not alone in his opinion of the identity and severity of the problems.

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Mike,

Brother – awesome contributions on this thread.
I thoroughally enjoyed your posts.

You said:
[Quote]From those that I have talked to, “typical” platoons have the majority of members in their early ’20s and divorced once already (some twice). Coming back to a shattered economy where there are no jobs and you have permanent disabilities (mental too!) and no family to return to has to be one of the most disillusioning scenarios imaginable[/quote]

This is something that concerns me as well – primarially because of one lingering question in my mind:
“What skills do these men possess that they can use to their benefit?”

As a person in a similar situation (Destroyed family life due to seperation, reintegrating into a broken economy etc) I can say – it really brings you low. Most everyone I know who gets out goes into one of a few different fields:
1. Law Enforcement – which scares me because prosecuting a war is extremely different than acting as a peace officer.

2. Security – Similar to LE, but without the heavy burden.

3. Paramilitary Contracting – Big money, less rules, more operational latitude, this is the one that really concerns me. Building Mercenary forces who are used to essentially “raiding” makes me think serious thoughts about what will happen in a future of scarce resources. What happens when these guys start absorbing deserters with Mortars and light machine guns? 

Obviously speculative, but certainly shapes some of my decisions.

Davos/Erik Townsend,

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So what happens when an ex-special forces military-trained killing machine type of dude “looses everything, has nothing left to loose, and loses it”? I don’t know enough about military stuff to estimate what kind of damage someone who knew what they are doing could do, but it would be a hell of a lot worse than this.

Davos wrote:

McVeigh and I don’t believe he was Special Forces. [/quote]

 McVeigh was an infantryman with the 1st ID.
He was picked up for the Special Forces SFAS (Special Forces Assessment and Selection, IIRC – I’m AF :p) but failed out due to poor PT scores. SOF are selected primarially for their mental toughness. It’d be very difficult to imagine one “snapping”, as they tend to be very well composed individuals, with a huge capacity for bulls*** tolerance.

That said, I think the amount of damage a lone rogue could do would quickly hit “dimishing returns” with regards to what they were capable of.
McVeigh, with no real “formal” training killed some 200 people.
Someone who was practically versed and experienced might kill a high number of people, but the “denial” of operational capability that goes along with being hunted by Law Enforcement would limit the kind of terror they could reign.

This is speculation, of course, but unless we were dealing with rouge “groups” of ex-SOF, I doubt you’d see much of a difference.
I’m more concerned about what’s going to happen when communities start defending their own from Federal and State Authority. Honestly, I think Former SOF operators might instinctively side with the Guerillas.

If we see a return to the Seige mentality of the Clinton Era, we might well be in for a very ugly decade.
I shudder to think.

Cheers,

Aaron

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Aaron. 

Here’s one scenario for the SHTF in terms of civil unrest. 

If federal and/or state authorities start “picking up” and detaining people on the net for their views, under the guise of pre-emptive action, then I think all holy hell will break loose. 

Right now the net is serving as a huge venting mechanism, even though it might simultaneously be encouraging some. Nevertheless, take away the steam valve and I think Dante’s Inferno gets unleashed.

God, I pray not. 

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