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  • Sun, Oct 18, 2009 - 09:55pm

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    Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty, Claims British Lord

Minnesota Free Market Institute –  At [the 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference in] Copenhagen, this December, weeks away, a treaty will be signed. Your president will sign it. Most of the third world countries will sign it, because they think they’re going to get money out of it. Most of the left-wing regime from the European Union will rubber stamp it. Virtually nobody won’t sign it.

I read that treaty. And what it says is this, that a world government is going to be created. The word “government” actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries, in satisfication of what is called, coyly, “climate debt” – because we’ve been burning CO2 and they haven’t.

How many of you think that the word “election” or “democracy” or “vote” or “ballot” occurs anywhere in the 200 pages of that treaty? Quite right, it doesn’t appear once. So, at last, the communists who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the environmental movement, who took over Greenpeace so that my friends who funded it left within a year, because [the communists] captured it – Now the apotheosis as at hand. They are about to impose a communist world government on the world. You have a president who has very strong sympathies with that point of view. He’s going to sign it.

And the trouble is this; if that treaty is signed, if your Constitution says that it takes precedence over your Constitution (sic), and you can’t resign from that treaty unless you get agreement from all the other state parties – And because you’ll be the biggest paying country, they’re not going to let you out of it.

So, thank you, America. You were the beacon of freedom to the world. It is a privilege merely to stand on this soil of freedom while it is still free. But, in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy, and your humanity away forever. And neither you nor any subsequent government you may elect will have any power whatsoever to take it back. That is how serious it is.

But I think it is here, here in your great nation, which I so love and I so admire – it is here that perhaps, at this eleventh hour, at the fifty-ninth minute and fifty-ninth second, you will rise up and you will stop your president from signing that dreadful treaty, that purposeless treaty.

The scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three basic pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial mechanism, and the basic organization of which will include the following: (emphasis added)

World Government (heading added)

(a) The government will be ruled by the COP with the support of a new subsidiary body on adaptation, and of an Executive Board responsible for the management of the new funds and the related facilitative processes and bodies. The current Convention secretariat will operate as such, as appropriate.

To Redistribute Wealth (heading added)

b) The Convention’s financial mechanism will include a multilateral climate change fund including five windows: (a) an Adaptation window, (b) a Compensation window, to address loss and damage from climate change impacts [read: the “climate debt” Monckton refers to], including insurance, rehabilitation and compensatory components, © a Technology window; (d) a Mitigation window; and (e) a REDD window, to support a multi-phases process for positive forest incentives relating to REDD actions.

With Enforcement Authority (heading added)

© The Convention’s facilitative mechanism will include: (a) work programmes for adaptation and mitigation; (b) a long-term REDD process; © a short-term technology action plan; (d) an expert group on adaptation established by the subsidiary body on adaptation, and expert groups on mitigation, technologies and on monitoring, reporting and verification; and (e) an international registry for the monitoring, reporting and verification of compliance of emission reduction commitments, and the transfer of technical and financial resources from developed countries to developing countries. The secretariat will provide technical and administrative support, including a new centre for information exchange [read; enforcement].

It is difficult to find any references to this story in the corporate propaganda machine.  Many bloggers and freedom groups are giving this a “red alert” and suggesting immediate action in writing representatives and advising others of the treason and treachery taking place at our highest office.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40&feature=player_embedded   

  • Sun, Oct 18, 2009 - 10:36pm

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    Re: Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty, Claims British Lord

This is old news . . . This has already been agreed to, in principal.  In June of 1992, a statement of principles, encompassing all of those mechanisms was adopted by more than 178 governments at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development, known as the Earth Summit, held in Rio de Janeiro . . . We have already surrendered our sovereignty . . . The document, which lays out the plan for all of those objectives is named Agenda 21.  It describes, in detail, all that this man alleges.  Wake up!

 

  • Sun, Oct 18, 2009 - 11:11pm

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Cloudfire said:

This is old news . . . This has already been agreed to, in principal. In June of 1992, a statement of principles, encompassing all of those mechanisms was adopted by more than 178 governments at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development, known as the Earth Summit, held in Rio de Janeiro . . . We have already surrendered our sovereignty . . . The document, which lays out the plan for all of those objectives is named Agenda 21. It describes, in detail, all that this man alleges. Wake up!

I think you may want to read the supportive documentation closer.  The language of the actual treaty was just completed and issued on September 15, 2009.  This may be old news to you, but I think by any reasonable measure it qualifies as “new” news.

No doubt a number of documents have been signed in the past that pushed us in this direction.  But this an actual treaty formalizing international governance, establishing reparations and ongoing fines and giving up our sovereignty by accepting this intrusion.  

If you are saying these things were ratified in 1992, you are wrong.  This is BIG news…Wake Up!

  • Mon, Oct 19, 2009 - 07:35am

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If you are saying these things were ratified in 1992, you are wrong.  This is BIG news…Wake Up!

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Aw, heck, Larry . . . I didn’t mean you . . .  Sometimes, knowing that 19,000 people visit this website monthly, I’m subconsciously addressing the public, at large . . . We all know that you’re on top of this . . .

  • Mon, Oct 19, 2009 - 02:45pm

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The world seems to be turning into a cheap “B” science fiction movie in which most of the population has been hypnotized into a zombie like state.  Gordon Brown is taking the lead in the U.K. as he warns:

The UK faces a “catastrophe” of floods, droughts and killer heatwaves if world leaders fail to agree a deal on climate change, the prime minister has warned.  Gordon Brown said negotiators had 50 days to save the world from global warming and break the “impasse”.  World delegations meet in Copenhagen in December for talks on a new treaty.

Brown and other leaders have yet to explain how an international “cap and trade” plan that is nothing more than a derivatives market that will enrich big international banks will help solve the problems.  As usual, there are no alternative plans, it is the same scam played over and over – A) create the emergency, B) offer only one solution that always seems to favor the banks while taking our rights, C) the bill must be signed as an emergency; no time for debate, in fact no time to even read the bill. 

For example, if they were sincere, wouldn’t it make more sense to provide 0% loans for people to upgrade their home energy systems?  Or wouldn’t it make more sense for governments to issue and control their own money to take advantage of the revenue stream?  In the U.S. alone, if the treasury created the money that banks lend with a 1% fee, it would represent over $2 trillion dollars!  Imagine what could be done CONSTRUCTIVELY with that money.

Please, become familiar with the Copenhagen initiative and fight it!

Larry

  • Mon, Oct 19, 2009 - 03:24pm

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What a surprise, Lord Christopher Monckton (former science adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher) was on Glen Beck’s radio show this morning.  Good stuff indeed!

Larry

  • Mon, Oct 19, 2009 - 03:49pm

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Agenda 21: The Death Knell of Liberty

Freedom is being replaced by servitude, capitalism by socialism, and property rights by “sustainable development.”

“The common enemy of humanity is man.  In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.  …The real enemy then is humanity itself.
Democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead.” —From the Club of Rome’s “The First Global Revolution” p. 71,75 1993

The death knell for freedom has been tolling for some time, and only now are people starting to hear it. It started tolling faintly, decades back, and has slowly progressed in volume, until today its tolling is impossible to ignore.  The United States of America—that “shining city on a hill”—had a good run of it, and made a gallant effort at establishing liberty for all. But as the old saw would have it, all good things must come to an end.

Liberty, after all, is an aberration in mankind’s history—a light that has flared here and there over the centuries, only to dissolve back into the darkness.  America is barreling towards becoming a bit player on the world’s stage, and its vaunted middle class—once the envy of the world—is on the verge of being eliminated.

Call them Communists, Marxists, Fascists, or Globalists—call them what you will, they are collectivists who despise America’s middle class, capitalism, and free enterprise.  They have been duplicitous, Machavellian, clever, and patient. And it has paid off; the trap has been sprung.

We were hit low by Alinskyesque “community organizers” in our streets, and propagandists in our schools. We were hit high by “think tanks” like the Trilateral Commission, the CoR (Club of Rome), and the CFR (Council for Foreign Relations).  They have divided us with special interest groups, vociferous “talking point” attacks, and identity politics. They have infiltrated our schools, and indoctrinated our children.  They have encouraged corruption and greed at the lowest, to the highest, levels of government.  They have twisted and perverted the U.S. Constitution.

They intend on taking over the planet, but first they needed to destabilize, and then destroy, the United States of America.  Because we were a powerful bulwark of freedom, we had to go first.  Behind all the warm and fuzzy terminology about “smart growth,” “sustainable development,” and “think green,” lies a very chilling fact. The Agenda 21 folks want to reduce the earth’s population—substantially.

In 1996, Club of Rome member and CNN founder, Ted Turner, told Audubon magazine, “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” A 95% reduction.  Recently he has said that getting rid of a mere two thirds of the world’s population would suffice. Getting mellow in his old age no doubt.

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Lord Monckton may be forgiven his ignorance of matters Constitutional.  He is, after all, British royalty. 

The fact is that treaties cannot trump the Constitution of the United States.

http://www.uhuh.com/control/contrump.htm

[quote]Clarification of a clause in the Constitution of the United States is in order here. Article VI, clause 2 declares that “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the Land; and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.” It is the last clause that is misunderstood, even by attorneys. “… Constitution or Laws of any State …” refers to the Constitutions of the several states, NOT the Constitution of the United States. The Founding Fathers were much too well informed to allow the state Constitutions to alter the United States Constitution. That would have been self defeating.[/quote]

Obama, being a Constitutional scholar, knows this and therefore knows that, even if he wanted, and I’m sure he doesn’t, to promote the notion that an international treaty can overrule our Constitution, he cannot do so.

:Lord Monckton is a British gadfly and long time climate change denier.  Apparently his royal duties don’t require him to perform any actual useful work, so he has plenty of time to pretend he is a scientist, and now, apparently, a Constitutional expert.

Doug

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Doug,

First of all, Lord Christopher Monckton is a former science adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher so he has credentials that rise above “gadfly” status.”  Global warming, global cooling or any type of man-made climate change is a totally separate issue to the implementation of a scam to steal the wealth of the disappearing middle class while establishing global governance and a new derivatives market.

The scam requires an illogical link of a problem with a preconceived “solution.”  The issues must be separated – if there is a problem, it does not provide credibility to an irrational and usurious solution.      

As far as the constitution, Monckton discusses the issue:

But I will say one thing; they know, in the White House, that they won’t be able to get the 67 votes in the Senate, the two-thirds majority that your Constitution has stipulated must be achieved in order to ratify a treaty of this kind.  However, what they’ve worked out is this – and they actually let it slip during the election campaign, which is how I know about it.  They plan to enact that Copenhagen treaty into legislation by a simple majority of both houses.  That they can do.  But the virtue of that – and here you have a point – is that is, thank God, reversible.  So I want you to pray tonight, and pray hard for your Senate that they utterly refuse to ratify the [new] Treaty of Copenhagen, because if they refuse to ratify it and [Obama] has to push it through as domestic legislation, you can repeal it.

The constitution stipulates many things that are routinely ignored by our governBank.  For example, war was never declared in Iraq by congress, it was initiated by an imperial president.  The constitution clearly states that only congress may issue our currency but for the last 90 some years we have ignored that clause.  The constitution forbids a sitting president from swearing allegiance to a foreign entity – but Obama did just that when he took on the role of head of the U.N. security council.  

Larry   

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Larry,

You missed the point.  Only an amendment to the Constitution that repeals Article VI, clause 2 could give primacy to a treaty over the Constitution itself.  That, of course, requires far more than a simple majority vote in Congress.  That’s why we have a Supreme Court.  They decide, in cases of conflicts with the Constitution, which prevails.  I am confident they will not cede our sovereignty to any foreign body.  Monckton just plain got it wrong. 

As far as your other points, I don’t totally disagree.  We haven’t declared war anywhere since WWII.  I have long been of the opinion that it should be declared before we put “boots on the ground” anywhere in the world.  And, I certainly won’t argue the currency issue with you.

If you wish to equate Monckton’s scientific expertise and his Constitutional knowledge on a similar plane, be my guest.  Based on what I’ve read by him, he loses either way, Maggie Thatcher notwithstanding.

Doug

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