Obama – a social unrest antidote?
[quote]I am trying to understand….how do "the powerful ones" pull the strings exactly?[/quote]
Of course they don’t pull all the strings, but at least some can be pulled.
No-one can buy popular vote of an entire nation, but a few people (from more than one party) can influence a great deal who are the candidates.
And even though anybody may rise one day to be a president, it can’t be done without the approval of the ruling classes in a conservative capitalist society like the US (and it’s a good thing, otherwise you get Chavez).
[quote=Lisa G][quote=mihaibarsan]How do they organize this control
over the world? How do they keep it secret among themselves? None of
this conspiracy stuff makes any sense to me. [/quote][/quote]
Take a specific example — the John Kennedy
assassination. The official explanation of the Warren commission was
that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin. Yet plenty of physical
evidence — Oswald’s feat of aiming at a distant moving vehicle, the
number of rounds fired, their angle of entry into Connally and Kennedy,
and other irregularities — corresponds better to multiple shooters.
truly extraordinary event was Oswald’s subsequent assassination — in
front of dozens of witnesses — by Mob-connected nightclub owner Jack
Ruby. It sometimes happens in murder cases that a member of the
victim’s family will seek retribution against the murderer — though
usually after biding his time for an opportunity that won’t involve
getting caught. But Ruby was not insane, was not known as a political
partisan, and had no identifiable motive for clumsily shooting Oswald
right in front of law enforcement witnesses, which surely would and did
result in Ruby remaining in custody for the rest of his life.
the ‘lone assassin’ theory, Ruby’s act makes no sense. But if Oswald
was a hired killer who knew the identities of his contacts, then
rubbing him out to prevent him from ‘singing’ to the authorities made a
great deal of sense to someone. And the Mob, at the time, was the best
source of professional killers to eliminate witnesses.
It isn’t far-fetched
that a political or criminal group might have motives for engaging in
assassination. What IS far-fetched is that the Warren commission went
to such elaborate lengths to exclude this logical possibility, in favor
of the more unlikely explanation that a lone assassin could have pulled
it off, and then been bizarrely murdered himself before interrogation.
JFK assassination is the granddaddy, the litmus test of conspiracy
theory. Any open-minded, unbiased investigator with a scientific frame
of mind would want to thoroughly explore both lone-assassin and
multiple-sniper theories. The Warren commission’s relentless push for
the lone-assassin theory, even in the face of some extraordinary facts
pointing to the contrary, is extremely strange — and difficult to
explain away as an accident or a simple mistake.
Keyes: Stop Obama or U.S. will cease to exist
How about we stop this debt from getting larger? Seems to me that should be the main focus of our battle, before the USA gets foreclosed on.
Who are they, how many of them? How do they rig elections as this
question implies? How do they get a bunch of Muslims to fly into
skyscrapers (and so on)? How do they organize this control over the
world? How do they keep it secret among themselves?
First of all, most of it is not a well kept secret. This is part of a long, ongoing history – a struggle for financial control and the subjugation of nations by an elite few. I suggest you start with some history – here’s a video that may help, unfortunately, it’s fairly long:
Hope you find the video interesting!
Whether black or white, expectations have been raised. Such expectations when dashed can leave those who had the expectations somewhat disgruntled.
Obama himself pointed out that if the US was prepared to elect a black president then they must be in a bad way (or words to that effect – had a quick failure to find the link – do remember reading his comments though)
7 billion people can be wrong, very wrong
try this one lisa
the man who was president and ceo of diebold, the company that makes voting machines , wrote in a letter that he was personally guranteeing that george bush would win ohio in 04.
btw he was chairman of the ohio republican party.
guess which state bush needed to win in 04?
it is not too difficult to figure out but you have to hava an open mind. accidents happen to people that think accidents happen.
this country was hijacked a long time ago. no one i mean no one gets to run for president unless they are approved to run by the cfr, tri lateral commish etc.
ask yourself why only two people get to debate in front of the american people. is it because anyone can become president.
why did obama receive 4x the money that mcain did from wall street?
how do they pull the strings exactly? just follow the money my dear just follow the money. who controls the media?
have you checked on your congressman and senators where they get their money from ?
i will guarantee they get a lions share fron the financial institutions.
it has been estimated that the rothschild family controls 500 trillion dollars. i believe that is way too high but they control more than anyone else and that gives them unliimited power.
i have written on this site before. i saw the plans for the world trade center in the mid sixties my father in law was deputy comptroller of the new york port authority. there is no way a plane would cause the collapse of one of those building let alone both.
building number seven collapsed and did not get hit by a plane. in the entire history of steel and concrete construction no building ever fell down because of a fire. but on one day three of them did. why didnt the pentagon collapse as well?
in arkansas we have what we call an arkancide. it first happened when clinton was governor. an arkacide is when a body is found floating face down in a pond with 5 bullets to the back of the head. the gun is found in a dumpster in the next county. it is then ruled death by drowning………..accidental
if you dont start paying attention we are doomed. and that is not a conspiracy theory
I am not sure how serious your question was but after spending a weekend home sick and thus more time than usual on this website and others, I am going to understand it as a serious question. I am confused and I must admit disappointed at all the conspiracy minded people on this site. I am trying to understand….how do "the powerful ones" pull the strings exactly? Who are they, how many of them? How do they rig elections as this question implies? How do they get a bunch of Muslims to fly into skyscrapers (and so on)? How do they organize this control over the world? How do they keep it secret among themselves? None of this conspiracy stuff makes any sense to me.
I recommend watching the Zeitgeist movie at http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Watch the first movie then the second (addendum)
machinehead, this is a VERY delayed response but I just happened to read your reply to my question. I am not sure you will ever even read this but I think I have something to say in response. Now it may mean nothing but here is a very true story.
I have a personal connection, however remote, to the Kennedy assassination and I think it gives me some credibility to refute the conspiracy theories. I was but a small child living in Richardson Texas (a suburb of Dallas) when Kennedy was assassinated. My father was a block or two streets beyond when Kennedy was shot. but that’s not the point…here’s my connection though (actually two):
The Oswalds lived in Richardson Texas where I lived at that time. My parents were very close friends with a Russian expat who, in turn, was very good friends with the Oswalds. In fact, I believe this expat (a woman who was a very close friend of my mother) was best friends with Marina (Oswald’s wife). We lived maybe a mile away from the Oswalds and my parents had a passing relationship with Marina (though not Lee).
The other connection: we were among the very, very few Jewish families who lived in the Dallas area then so the community was tight. Ruby was among that community so rumors will spread.
Here’s my understanding having been a percipient witness of sorts: Ruby, a nightclub owner, had some connections with the "criminal" community (back when Dallas was a cow-town, they liked to call it "Mafia" but I doubt it) so he was something of a mobster. He, like almost all the Jewish community at that time was an ardent Kennedy supporter/lover. (You have to understand the early 60’s and the Jewish connection to Kennedy and MLK.) Gossip in the community at that time NEVER implicated a conspiracy. Everyone understood why Ruby, who had exposure to guns, killing etc., in a fit of genuine emotional grief, shot Oswald.
In the meantime, my family was in a rather unique situation given the connection to Marina. Now I don’t know that much about Lee Oswald’s actions. I know that it was a total shock to Marina and unless they kept very tight lips, she had no clue what her husband was going to do.
I had almost forgotten my personal exposure to the Kennedy assassination until I got on this website and was exposed to all the conspiracy-minded folks here. My parents, of course, were much more aware and I believe if I ask them today about the conspiracy theories that you and other espouse they would think you are well….. crazy. They are both still very much alive (in their 70’s) and of sound mind. I am going to explore this with them. But it seems to me, given our closeness to the events, I would be more suspicious than most if there were a conspiracy. After all, in communities as tight as those were in that day, some word would have been uttered.
Well there you go…somebody with a 3rd or 4th-hand hearsay relationship to Oswald has just solved the biggest mystery of all time, while all the wasted commissions, investigations, lawyers, and FBI got nowhere. Shazam!
Lisa, have you heard of Dennis Rader? His neighborhood, church, and family knew him intimately for more than 30 years and thought he was one of the nicest people they ever met. Turns out he was a famous mass murderer…the BTK killer. I’m just making the point that hearsay is meaningless and neighbors don’t know beans if a person doesn’t want them to know. CIA, KGB, Mossad, MI5 operators do this regularly. Criminals and mafia certainly do it. Jack Bauer does it. Corporate nice guys in suits do it as they head to Vegas for prostitution or simple cheating while their wives at home think everything’s fine…they all agree "what happens here stays here"…that’s a conspiracy. Our DC politicians do it with high-society prostitution rings there. My dad likes to show me the knives he buys and he whispers "don’t tell your mom." The allure of secrecy in one’s life seems to be almost embedded in every person, especially males. Why don’t you believe that there could be bigger criminals with billions playing on a bigger scale who enjoy secrecy too? For billionaires, taking secret prostitution trips with their buddies would be a boring conspiracy when they have the means to pulloff things so much more entertaining and powerful. One such billionaire…Bin Laden, though he eventually "went public" (ever wonder how ridiculous and conspiratorial it would’ve sounded if someone talked about Bin Laden’s plans before the 90’s before he did anything? nobody would’ve believed it. there’s the dilemma to ever tackling a conspiracy until it’s too late).
It’s so interesting how the masses are more than willing to believe any possible conspiracy they see on TV…Madoff, Enron, mafia, Bin Laden, pipe bomber at the olympics, Hillary’s vast right-wing conspiracy, traitors in the DC bureaucracy, etc etc etc. some of which were true, and some of which were not. People believe these things just from a press report…before anything is proven, before lawyers process evidence. All it takes is any DA staging an arrest scene and putting it on TV and, voila, 350,000,000 people believe the guy’s a criminal conspirator and they need to be strung up and hung. Yet people on this site talk about the very well proven super rich people and structure behind the Federal Reserve banking system…it’s in public docs folks…and the organizations around that structure (the regional Fed banks, key Wall St banks, CFR, Trilateral, Bilderberg, IMF, World Bank, UN) and people don’t believe it and think anybody who talks about it is a nutjob.
Human psychology is so odd.