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NWO truth finally hits the Mainstream Media! * FOX Judge Napolitano & Alex Jones *

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2009 - 05:23pm

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    Re: NWO truth finally hits the Mainstream Media! * FOX …

People – please do not take Alex Jones as a credible source of information.

He’s a provocatuer who is selling paranoia.

That’s not to say he’s not correct occasionally, but a stopped clock is right twice a day.
The amount of conspiracy theories he throws out… he’s bound to step on a live one once in a while.

If you listen to him rant and rave about the police state, bohemian grove and some of the other crap he spews, he’s really not believable. The truth, as always, is somewhere down the middle.

Celente, however – is a interesting guy well worth listening to.

Jones will just ruin your life. Before you know it, you’ll be living in a boat in a marina, spending your paycheck on guns and plotting to fight the UN. *roll*

There are real threats that we should be addressing.

Cheers!

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2009 - 05:27pm

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    Re: NWO truth finally hits the Mainstream Media! * FOX …

Here’s a compilation of the Gerald Celente quotes from that video. Celente is right on the mark and also entertaining too (at least I think so):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We__qsABkpM

  • Sat, Mar 21, 2009 - 05:36pm

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Agreed, Alex Jones is a mere sensationalist that reminds me of a used car salesman. Occasionally, he focuses on facts and is right "two times a day." I guess when you look at the mainstream media though, you realize that they are nearly as bad at times.

But I contend some basic things are not "conspiracies" and really don’t need to be on this thread. Among them:

-Wall Street and private banks (including the Fed) are increasingly gaining control over our government

-The military industrial complex poses serious threats to our civil liberties and freedom

-The mainstream political parties are a bubble in their own right. Most politicians take many departures from party platforms and the facts remain that our freedom has been continuously curtailed for decades

-Greed appears to be the primary (only??) driving factor in the decisions of a great many of the political and banking establishment. Some of these greed-mongers are less than moral and the combination of greed and immorality can be explosive.

To the extent that Alex Jones focuses on facts to support basic conclusions, then I can support Alex Jones. Most of his talk, however, is just that.

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Aaron Moyer – People – please do not take Alex Jones as a credible source of information.  He’s a provocatuer who is selling paranoia.

The mainstream media has been complicit in perpetrating the lies and deception that have led us to this crisis.  Fortunately others are speaking up, and Alex Jones does a great job in exposing what is happening in America.  We need alternative sources like Jones now more than ever.

I think you are being unfair to Alex – he won’t ruin your life; but he might help people to wake up to the fact that our nation as we know it is changing – we are fast becoming a fascist state. 

Larry

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[quote=Mike Pilat]

-The military industrial complex poses serious threats to our civil liberties and freedom

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You couldn’t be more wrong.  The military will likely be what pulls our ass out of the fire.  If you want to lay blame for where the serious threats are coming from, just look around you at the electorate who keeps electing the Idiocracy into office.

And just to throw another turd in the soup – Alex Jones is an academic lightweight and a journalistic hack.  Toss Catherine Austin Fitts in the same mixing bowl and cook up a batch of wild eyed lunacy.  Shoot – go for the triumverate and get "Lizard Boy" Ickes in there as well.

I’m off to Richmond to see Railroad Earth and Jackass Flats at the National Theater tonight – I hope a black helicopter doesn’t snatch me on the way.

  • Sat, Mar 21, 2009 - 06:25pm

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the military will pull our asses out of the fire hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa

oh my god excuse me i have to clean up a puddle i will be right back. ………oh god that is rich. i have read some hilarious things here but that tops the list.

i suggest a look at why we fight a pretty good video. eisenhower did not think the military industrial complex was benign he waited till he was on the way out the door to let us in on it. 

jfk should have paid closer attention.

i take it you are either military or ex military.

most of the military is made up of volunteers who are happy to have nothing more than three squares, a bed, a roof and lifetime healthcare. oh yeah and someone to do their thinking for them. huuuuuuuaaaaaaah.

the rest of the military is made up of a conglomeration of corporations and graduates of the military academies who have a vested interest in the status quo.

i hope the military will shoot me as i am burning in the fire ……………….it would be the most compassionate thing they could do

now where did i put my soma

  • Sat, Mar 21, 2009 - 06:31pm

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    Re: NWO truth finally hits the Mainstream Media! * FOX …

Dogs: I certainly hope that the military does that, it would be one of the greatest acts of courage we’ve seen in modern times.

My statement was just a simple paraphrase of what Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us about on his way out of office, I believe. I think it is something to be seriously considered and when you look at the growing problems in America in the post WWII era, this statement is not prima facie wrong.

What I meant by that statement was not a condemnation of the dedicated individuals that serve, but a condemnation of a system that has resulted in increasing government power on questionable grounds and always at the expense of civil liberties. In terms of government power at the People’s expense I don’t see a huge difference in principle between warrantless wiretapping and Wall Street bailouts. The approach we are taking seems to make little effort to establish trust with the American people.

I’m happy to say that I’m not familiar with the other components of your salad 🙂

Enjoy the show!

  • Sat, Mar 21, 2009 - 07:12pm

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    Re: NWO truth finally hits the Mainstream Media! * FOX …

Larry,

Back in my youth I rubbed elbows with some of the militia types via military pattern shoots.
Some of them seemed like decent guys, and I went out for a drink with em one time. All I heard about was Alex Jones, so I borrowed one of his "police state" videos… can’t remember the name.

It was total crap. There are points that we should all take care to address – militarizing of police, increasingly irrational fear of armed citizens, and so on – but that’s not what he’s selling.

He’s selling a radicalized version of caution that panders to that "bunker mindset".
Those militia types eat it up because it validates their suspicion. It gives them purpose.

Fuzzy language aside, it adds fuel to their fire, and distracts from the real evils, and their real solutions;

Getting politically active – get involved with the community in a non-alienating way – write to challenge or support your representitives.

If those guys would spend more time doing that than conspiring in a dark basement while reloading ammo – we’d have a healthier lifestyle and a more representitive government, especially on the local level.

I guess I just see Alex Jones as a distraction.

Cheers!

Aaron

  • Sun, Mar 22, 2009 - 02:25am

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    Re: NWO truth finally hits the Mainstream Media! * FOX …

I think it’s a tragic logical fallacy to toss out an entire message based on the illogical conclusion that if subject A is incorrect on topic 1, then he must, or more likely "probably" is incorrect on subjects 2, 3,4, 5, … ect..

First, logic is based on conditions of "true" or "false". Not "probably". And NEVER on "belief". It either "is" or it "isn’t". So, the argument that "he’s wrong on "A", so he’s probably wrong on "B" is pretty much a non-sequitor. It just doesn’t follow and has no place in supporting or refuting whatever message someone is trying to convey. 

Haven’t watched this. Don’t really follow Alex Jones but that’s irrelevant (just a disclaimer). The point is, that logic, actual, honest to goodness search for what is "truth", never follows probability. So discounting whatever he says in this clip, movie, whatever it is, based on his belief that peak oil is a hoax, is utterly illogical. It is. If I may accentuate my point by using an extreme, this faulty argument is analogous to this. 

Adolf Hitler (top 5 scumbag in human history) thought that jews were subhuman and deserved death. 

— This is an incredibly easy argument to destroy. 

Hitler also thought that mass transportation efficiency would be improved with an auto superhighway of the likes of the Autobahn. 

— He was absolutely correct, regardless of his views on jews, gypsies, gays, ect. Regardless of the fact that he is roasting in hell right now. Regardles of having an historical legacy on par with Lucifer. (Please, do not illogically conclude that I am equating Jones with Hitler. I am doing no such thing. I prefaced this by disclaiming that I would use an extreme to accentuate a point. That’s it. Nothing more. Nothing less). 

But, if we use the illogical approach seem oft too many times in print and media to dispell an entire message, then the conclusion would follow like this: 

Hitler was a psychopathic murderous dirtbag (true) that is rotting in hell. Since he was so wrong on how certain sects of our fellow man should be treated I find it hard to believe that somehow this concept of a "high-speed motorway" would somehow improve transporation efficiency. I mean look at the source of the argument! Look at how wrong he was on human nature!". 

See how patently absurd this sounds? But I think we the people (myself included truth be told) often slouch into this lazy and intellectually dishonest mode of thinking. 

And to be honest, I think it’s one of the most dangerous and destructive mechanisms leading to the demise of our nation, and our culture. 

 

  • Sun, Mar 22, 2009 - 02:31am

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    Re: NWO truth finally hits the Mainstream Media! * FOX …

Hey Larry,

Glad to be having good conversation!

I agree – he does tend to bring issues that are easy to overlook to the front.
I’ll give him that.

That said, I remember OSHA nearly proposed a regulation that required that Ammunition, powder and the like be stored in a "lightning proof" container – since no such container exists on the open market (outside of nuclear waste containers – tongue in cheek) their regulation would effectively ban the storage, ownership and sales of ammunition.

I think it was Jones who brought it out, but come to find out, it wasn’t taken very seriously, had no traction, and quickly blew over. After I forwarded the story to many respected colleagues and friends.

Felt kinda silly after that one.
His video on Bohemian grove was totally ridiculous. I mean – damningly so. I don’t know if you saw it, but it was, simply put, Tabloid Journalism.

I’m willing to review his stories, but I’ll do so with a healthy amount of skepticism, and I’ll be following it up with individual research.

Cheers!

Aaron

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