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Notes From The First-Ever PP Knowledge Capital Excursion

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  • Mon, Oct 08, 2018 - 10:24pm

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    Membership

Is anyone else considering the membership offer from FTA?  I am thinking about it but would be more interested if lots of PP folks are doing it.  The training was awesome, but hanging out with all of the PP folks made it even more than awesome.  What a great bunch of heartful, intelligent folks!  It would be cool to return with other Peak Prosperity folks some day.     My wife was in China during the training and my biggest disappointment was that she couldn’t come along, learn the skills, and meet all of you.  sad

By the way, she is at her parent’s place in China helping harvest crops.  They have been practicing small scale sustainable farming since the 80s and heating their food with biogas made from livestock manure since that time.   Except for a trickle of electricity they have always lived off grid.  They get incredible yields from just about 2.5 acres in North Central China – not that long of a growing season.  Nothing is ever wasted.  Every animals’ poop, including humans, gets used in one way or another.  I  have never met anyone who works harder or is happier than her father.  

Meeting all of you really got a fire burning under me and me and a friend are starting to build a chicken coop next week and also starting to plant more of our one acre with fruit trees and veggies.  Right now we just have about 15 fruit trees and a small veg garden.  The papayas are coming off like crazy right now.  Harvesting 3-4/week.  

 

Rob in HI

  • Mon, Oct 08, 2018 - 11:57pm

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    FS memberships

I purchased memberships at a WONDERFUL discount through a friend of Thom’s (thc0655).  My wife agreed to do the course with me next October and Thom and several buddies are already planning a group trip next year.  Join us Rob!

  • Tue, Oct 09, 2018 - 04:55am

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    FS Membership

I attended the course solely because it was a chance to meet other PP members. I spent my last 12 years in the Marine Corps, and frankly I was not optimistic about Front Sight or their training. However, I was pleasantly surprised and was very impressed by their 4 day handgun course – it vastly exceeded my expectations. For what it’s worth, it was also much better training than the marksmanship training I got in the Marine Corps, which was excellent in it’s own right. I plan to get the family membership. I’m still a bit skeptical about the heavy handed marketing approach that Front Sight uses (the hyperbole mentioned by Aaron above), but the quality of their instructors and the 4 day course overall speaks for itself; I’m willing to gamble 2 grand on the quality of their shotgun and rifle courses and beyond. I thoroughly enjoyed my time there, and those 4 days made me better at pistol shooting than all my previous training combined.

I hope to see other PP members and repeat offenders at future training events there!

-Matt

  • Tue, Oct 09, 2018 - 05:34am

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    Thanks for arranging the Front Sight event

Just wanted to again say thanks to Adam and Peak Prosperity for arranging the Front Sight event. I am so much more comfortable and confident handling a pistol now, and truly enjoyed meeting and being with other members from Peak Prosperity. The conversations with Chris in the van going back and forth to Front Sight were the best part!

Here’s my contribution with a picture of Adam demonstrating his marksmanship.

 

  • Fri, Oct 12, 2018 - 01:46pm

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    Stress Fire Lessons Learned

All,

I have enjoyed reading all the comments and learning that came out of your Front Site Training – I congratulate everyone who completed the course.  You are doing what every responsible armed citizen should do – getting real, professional training that begins to build the neural pathways that will take over during a crisis situation.  Keep practicing to build those motor skills and subconcious actions until you become one with the machine. (I know that sounds corny).

This last weekend I finished an advanced applications course which seeks to take shooting skills into real environments that one will encounter outside the range.  This particular course was a twofer – low light handgun / vehicle handgun.  After years of instructing handguns and many more years carrying/shooting – I was unprepared for how damn difficult it is to fight with a handgun while illuminating the target with a handheld flashlight. If you think about it – many home defense situations at night will occur while you have a flashlight in your hands – so this wasn’t an academic exercise.  

The second phase of the course was operating inside and around vehicles – what an eye opener!  I’ll spare you the details, but suffice to say that our first exercise was discharging a handgun inside a closed vehicle as we fired through the windshield and attempted to hit targets at 10 meters.  Wow.  The concussive effect was intense and the cloud of glass shards and smoke became a real issue.  It turns out that the trajectory of the rounds changes in a predictible manner when fired through a windshield.  Additionally, once we spidered the glass – we lost visibility on the targets.  I had similar learning experiences working through unholstering, getting the seat belt out of the #@**& way, getting into and out of the car safely while holding a hot handgun, and taking effective cover around and behind surrounding cars without illuminating myself in the headlights of surrounding vehicles, etc. etc.  

We shot more than 2000 rounds in 3 days from noon to midnight and I loved every minute of it.Here’s a photo of me trying to hit plates from the kneeling position while out of breath!  

I say all this to encourage you to continue your skill development because the practical application of handguns to a combat environment is exponentially harder to master than shooting paper in the sunshine.

Rector

  • Fri, Oct 12, 2018 - 02:54pm   (Reply to #35)

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    A way to experience a bit of

A way to experience a bit of pressure while practicing is to simply get your heart rate up. Jumping jacks, sprints etc. This doesn’t compare to the level of stress that type of training provides but it’s a whole new experience working with the heart pumping hard and your breathing elevated. 

  • Tue, Oct 16, 2018 - 03:29pm

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    Remember the Luby’s massacre

On this day in 1991, a disturbed male shot and killed 23 people and wounded 27 at a Luby’s restaurant in Texas.  

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/twenty-three-diners-massacred-at-texas-restaurant

[The shooter] drives his truck through a window in Luby’s Cafeteria in Kileen, Texas, and then opens fire on a lunch crowd of over 100 people, killing 23 and injuring 20 more. [He] then turned the gun on himself and committed suicide. The incident was one of the deadliest shootings in U.S. history.

The rampage at the Central Texas restaurant began at approximately 12:45 p.m. and lasted about 15 minutes. Witnesses reported that the 35-year-old gunman moved methodically through the large crowd, shooting people randomly and reloading his weapon several times. [The shooter], of nearby Belton, Texas, was shot several times by police before he committed suicide. No clear motive for his actions was ever determined.

In the aftermath of the Luby’s massacre, Killeen residents urged officials at Luby’s corporate headquarters to let the restaurant re-open so people wouldn’t lose their jobs. Five months after the shootings, the cafeteria was back in business and stayed open for nine more years before permanently shutting its doors in September 2000. Another outcome of the Luby’s massacre was that in 1995 the Texas legislature passed a law allowing residents with gun permits to carry concealed weapons. Suzanna Gratia Hupp, who was at Luby’s with her parents on the day of the massacre and watched as they were murdered, was instrumental in getting the law passed. Hupp had a handgun with her that day, but left it in her car to comply with the law that forbid people from carrying concealed firearms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp

Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby’s Cafeteria in Killeen in 1991 when a mass shooting took place. The gunman, [name deleted], shot 44 people in all, killing 24 of them, including himself. The fatally wounded included both of Hupp’s parents. Hupp later expressed regret about deciding to remove her gun from her purse and lock it in her car, lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state’s concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was “a hundred feet [30 m] away in my car.”[6] Her father, Al Gratia, feeling he “needed to do something”, tried to rush the gunman and was fatally shot in the chest instead. Hupp, eventually seeing an escape through a broken window (broken by the shoulder of another fleeing victim), grabbed her mother by the shirt telling her “Come on, we have to go now!” As Hupp moved toward the only escape, she believed her mother to be following her, only to find out later that Ursula had also been killed.

Hupp was 32 years old at the time of the shooting.[5] As a survivor of the incident, Hupp testified across the country in support of concealed-handgun laws, citing that if there had been a second chance to prevent the slaughter, she would have violated the Texas law and carried the handgun inside her purse into the restaurant that day and it being highly likely she would also still have her parents with her today. She also stated in her testimony that she would have taken the felony on her head over having lost her parents through the tragedy, adding that those shouldn’t be the choices, however, and that people should be able to defend themselves in a true emergency without having to choose one over another.[7] She testified across the country in support of concealed handgun laws, and was elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1996.[8] The concealed-weapons bill was signed by then-Governor George W. Bush.[9]

  • Tue, Nov 06, 2018 - 01:28pm

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    You can’t miss fast enough to win

Two guys get into a close range gunfight. One fires 15 shots from an AR15 rifle and 12 shots from a .40 caliber pistol (all of which missed!). The other guy fires the only bullet he had in his single shot .22 LR rifle which killed his assailant. So, getting center mass hits is more important than caliber or weapon type. Debating which caliber is best is only interesting if you’re talking about hits.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/10/self-defense-in-texas-22-single-shot-beats-ar15-and-40-cal/#axzz5W52Q33A9

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