Notes From The First-Ever PP Knowledge Capital Excursion

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  • Tue, Oct 02, 2018 - 04:38am

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    davefairtex

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    front sight 2010

I went through front sight a while ago – back in 2010.  I did the 4-day pistol course, 2-day rifle, and 2-day shotgun.  Unlike Chris, I’m simply terrible with a pistol.  At the end, they were kind and gave me a paper that more or less said, “this guy is really terrible with a pistol but he managed to avoid shooting himself or anyone else, so there’s that.”  I came away with the distinct impression that a pistol was just a malfunction waiting to happen.  I even had a type-1 malfunction happen to me in one of the drills!  Which I cleared, thank heavens; can’t fault the training, it was excellent.

I didn’t like the rifle either.  It was this light, finicky thing that I basically didn’t trust by the end of the class.

Ah, but then there was the shotgun.  With the shotgun, I was flawless.  I never missed.  (“But, it’s a shotgun” I hear you cry.  Yes, exactly.)  As in, really I hit every single time.  With the solid shot, and the buckshot, at 10 meters, and at 50, I always got to hear this rewarding noise from the iron targets.  Oh sure, my shoulder was sore by the time I was done, but my goodness.  Did I mention that I never missed?

I came away with a very clear appreciation for which weapon I would go for in any sort of trouble.

Blessed shotgun.  🙂

 

  • Tue, Oct 02, 2018 - 07:46am

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    CleanEnergyFan

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    Great Time

Wow…what an experience….I am worn out.  Just now on the plane and able to get on the internet for the first time since this started.  Sand Puppy you were a great partner and showed great improvement throughout the course.  Dave you obviously remember this course pretty well…they definitely went through the malfunction drills enough that I now believe that most homeowners who rarely use a firearm would be better served with a revolver than the automatics we were using (but is nice to be able to fire 17 shots at one time).   Looking forward to the next experiential get together.  Thanks for organizing this event, it was an excellent value and very glad I came.  Doors closing so got to go.

  • Tue, Oct 02, 2018 - 02:45pm

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    Jared

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    Love seeing this

I’ve been shooting for about 20 years now and I’m a HUGE proponent of training and learning how to be more proficient and safe with firearms. I’ve been taking classes over the last couple of years to get rid of bad shooting habits and learn more advanced techniques. Like a golf swing, you have to consistently practice to get better and you’re never “done”. There really isn’t a better way to build confidence and dispel myths of firearms and gunfighting than to take pro courses like this, so I commend you all for investing the time, money and energy to do it. And remember: equal height, equal light, and stare down that front sight post like it owes you money! 🙂

  • Tue, Oct 02, 2018 - 10:42pm

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    richcabot

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    Police shootings

Some of the demonstrations gave me a much better understanding of the split second decisions police officers are faced with when confronting an armed individual.

  • Wed, Oct 03, 2018 - 04:22pm   (Reply to #14)

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    Shoot to wound, not kill

Some of the demonstrations gave me a much better understanding of the split second decisions police officers are faced with when confronting an armed individual.

And why it’s ignorant and ridiculous to insist or even pass a law (as I’ve heard attempted) to legally require police to first shoot to wound a violent suspect (in the leg or the arm) BEFORE shooting center mass.  

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/here-why-police-don-shoot-wound-the-case-deadly-force/IV4ohtIm6r8FaEMj78u1bO/

Why not “shoot to wound” instead?

For a couple of reasons: First, shooting to wound someone may not stop the threat. If a person is shot in the leg, the threat may still exist as a suspect could still use his or her hands to fire a gun or stab with a knife.

Second, and most importantly, it takes a skilled marksman to hit someone exactly in the arm or leg, and, most officers are not skilled marskmen. In fact, outside of an old-fashioned TV Western, few people can make that shot, no matter the training. 

Dr. Bill Lewinski, executive director of the Force Science Institute, explained in a position paper for the Institute the physics involved in the notion of training officers – who are often running after suspects –  to “shoot to wound.”   

“Hands and arms can be the fastest-moving body parts,” Lewinski said. “For example, an average suspect can move his hand and forearm across his body to a 90-degree angle in 12/100 of a second. He can move his hand from his hip to shoulder height in 18/100 of a second.

“The average officer pulling the trigger as fast as he can on a Glock, one of the fastest- cycling semi-autos, requires 1/4 second to discharge each round.

“There is no way an officer can react, track, shoot and reliably hit a threatening suspect’s forearm or a weapon in a suspect’s hand in the time spans involved.”

David Klinger, a professor of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the University of Missouri-St. Louis, put it another way speaking to ABC News  — with officers trying to stop a threat to their life or the lives of others,  “Why would we want to injure or maim people?” he said. “It doesn’t stop them.” 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-trained-shoot-wound-experts/story?id=40402933

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/activist-critical-of-police-undergoes-use-of-force-scenarios

  • Wed, Oct 03, 2018 - 07:08pm

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    Wonderful Time

What a great group of people.  This was my first time hanging out with Peak Prosperity folks and I was truly impressed with the caliber of folks that showed up.  What a caring, heartful community that you have created a container for Adam and Chris!   The training was also high quality and I went from having little experience to now feeling that I have a skill level better than most.  Now if I can only figure out a simple way to post pictures here blush

 

Rob

  • Thu, Oct 04, 2018 - 06:10am

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    thatchmo

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    OK.  Great time had by the

OK.  Great time had by the crew (but that is always the case when PP folks gather…), great skill building, and great weather (hee hee..).  So when will this course be offered again?  Aloha, Steve.

  • Thu, Oct 04, 2018 - 06:21am

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    More pics

I uploaded more pictures to Adam’s PP Google drive.

 

Aloha from Hawaii.

 

Rob

  • Thu, Oct 04, 2018 - 07:09pm

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    sand_puppy

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    Suspenders for the concealed carry in the (slightly) chubby

Having excess abdominal fat is a real drag for many reasons.  (Too bad that eating sweets is soothing to my anxious mood.)  You can’t cinch your belt down tightly to support the weight of the weapon without an uncomfortable compression of abdominal fat and restricted breathing.  Miserable.

I discovered at Front Sight that regular suspenders get caught on the thumb of the weapon hand during presentation –at about picture 2 in the sequence below.  Not good for a smooth and rapid delivery from the holster.

Later I saw an elderly and very overweight man at Front Sight wearing *side suspenders* and a light bulb went off.  I just bought a pair.  They support the belt well without catching the thumb.  Attach the belt clips behind the holster, a bit farther back than this skinny model is wearing.

 

  • Thu, Oct 04, 2018 - 09:40pm

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    thc0655

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    More great training: Active Self Protection on YouTube

Are any of you familiar with this site?  Absolutely great training by video.  I’ve never disagreed with John’s tactical, legal, ethical, psychological, or spiritual insights about lethal self defense.  I watch them all as they come out.  If you own a gun and especially if you carry one on the street, I’d recommend the whole series to you as you have time.

 
Here’s a few examples:
 

 
 
 
 
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