North Korea renounces 1953 truce

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  • Thu, May 28, 2009 - 08:16pm

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    North Korea renounces 1953 truce

When it rains, it pours…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090528/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_nuclear

This has got me concerned.  I’m very aware of North Korea’s long history of aggressive/belligerent statements and hostile moves as part of its internal propaganda for its own people and its political game plan in dealing with the world at large, and that South Korean and US forces have been put on high alert before.  But isn’t this renunciation of the original truce a big first for them?  I’m honestly puzzled that this news isn’t getting more attention than it is, even on MSM.  My thinking is that this, along with the recent nuclear test and missile tests, is more likely a part of a push for more blackmail/concessions from its neighbors and leading nations.  But bringing it to this level of escalation seems to be a rather desperate move on their part, playing the last cards they have left so to speak short of starting actual hostilities.  This reaction of theirs seems rather out of proportion to the supposed ‘pressure’ they are being put under, and I’m wondering if this is an indication that the situation there is much worse off than we are aware of.  I still think a shooting war is a low probability, but now much higher than it once was…. I still don’t think they WANT a conflict (I find it hard all in charge there could be that stupid), but these things have a tendency to spin out of control.

Like with the things we here are primarily concerned with that are not highly probable but enough so to make reasonable preparations (major food shortages, complete financial collapse, etc), I’m trying to make a list of reasonable things I can do/get to prepare for this small but ugly possibility, and guess how the US and other economies will be affected.  Thoughts?

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  • Thu, May 28, 2009 - 08:53pm

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    Re: North Korea renounces 1953 truce

 first, you’re right.  This should be getting more coverage than it is…..

Second, there’s a power struggle taking place within the gov’t to see who’s going to be in power when The Leader dies.  His health is obviously an issue at this time and the military establishment is flexing to see who will flinch.  

Third, I think China may be pushing this a bit.  Destabilization is a weapon that they use very well.  Sword rattling by one of their allies will make the  world react.  Reaction hurts the economy of everyone and they are in a much better position to hold out through a depression than most anyone else.  

I don’t think it will go much further than it has though.  DPK can’t afford to make a mistake on this one and neither can the West so…..

We’ll see.

 

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Do you blame Little Kim? It’s not crazy, desparate, etc…etc… It’s highly pragmatic for a smaller, geostrategically vulnerable nation to have nukes. Pakistan has had them for ages, but for some reason, the previous administration had a laser like focus on Iran’s "potential" for developing nukes, and ignored the more significant threat of a nuclear conflagration that could have wiped India off the map. The difference?— Read Seymour Hirsch’s articles on covert activity in nuclear arms trade involving the neo-cons.

  • Thu, May 28, 2009 - 09:03pm

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    Re: North Korea renounces 1953 truce

I think they’ve "renounced the truce" at least twice in recent years, most recently in 2006.

  • Thu, May 28, 2009 - 11:05pm

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    Re: North Korea renounces 1953 truce

Agitating Prop,

Are you suggesting that a country that systematically starves, tortures and kills dissidents aquiring nukes is a safeguard of their soverignty against the evil West?

If you’re trying to scapegoat "Neo-Cons" you might do well to consider that the left wing and the right wing belong to the same diseased vulture, and your subjective interpretation of a mal-aligned partisan jab towards America does NOT represent fact in this matter.

The socio-political climate of Pakistan has been relatively stable until 2008, which is why:
A. Level heads preveiled and India is still with us, and;
B. Why we’re more concerned with a dictator hell-bent on rule through intimidation, both locally and globally.

I suggest you start differentiating between fact and opinion.

Cheers.

Aaron

  • Thu, May 28, 2009 - 11:23pm

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    Re: North Korea renounces 1953 truce

What’s really scary is who is running the show? Kim Jong is said to have likely had a stroke earlier this year. Is this another false flag or like you say, blackmail. A potential Coo. Or more distraction from US currency collapse. Everyday gets more and more precarious.


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    Re: North Korea renounces 1953 truce

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Agitating Prop,

Are you suggesting that a country that systematically starves, tortures and kills dissidents aquiring nukes is a safeguard of their soverignty against the evil West?

If you’re trying to scapegoat "Neo-Cons" you might do well to consider that the left wing and the right wing belong to the same diseased vulture, and your subjective interpretation of a mal-aligned partisan jab towards America does NOT represent fact in this matter.

The socio-political climate of Pakistan has been relatively stable until 2008, which is why:
A. Level heads preveiled and India is still with us, and;
B. Why we’re more concerned with a dictator hell-bent on rule through intimidation, both locally and globally.

I suggest you start differentiating between fact and opinion.

Cheers.

Aaron

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There are plenty of countries with horrendous human rights abuses, including and particularly the U.S. under both it’s left and right wing regimes.

The US wins the stealth award for outsourcing it’s misery to vulnerable  nations under it’s "protective" umbrella. Those who aren’t under it’s umbrella had better be working on a nuclear program, or they risk being pulverized Nagasaki style, whenever the ptb that runs your silly country, sees fit.

Seymour Hirsch was the one who identified the neo-cons as being the group most involved in the nukes for Pakistan trade. Not such a leap, considering so many of the more prominent are Iran-Contra retreads.

As a Canadian, with American Drug Enforcement Offices, stationed in my country, I think I have a right to an opinion, regarding your govt’s,greed, overreach, and bullying tactics. Were it not for American pressure and behind the scenes string pulling, we wouldn’t be suffering a ridiculous "war on drugs", that enriches the criminal international elite. Pause a moment and do a google news search on "gang activity" in Vancouver.

I have certainly differentiated between my opinion and your opinion. We will let dear readers determine who is more factually correct. In other words–don’t flatter yourself.

 

  • Thu, May 28, 2009 - 11:57pm

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    Re: North Korea renounces 1953 truce

It should be getting more attention.  I think a) Lil’ Kim is suffering a case of "the little boy who cired wolf" and b) the MSM is still lovestruck with Obama to be able to put the issue front and center. 

On the other hand, I suspect it is possible (and this is entirely conjecture on my part) China could be pulling all the strings here.  How would it look to the world if China comes to the rescue on this crisis rather than the US?  How about if they are telling Kim what to do, even to the point of helping him run these tests, only so that China can come to the rescue and get all the credit?  Wouldn’t be a bad way to prove their status as the next superpower.

Agitating Prop:  There is nothing that justifies Kim Jong Ill’s actions.  The man is a ruthless tyrant who has starved and murdered millions of his own people.  Stop trying to justify every evil in the world by whatever left-wing kook conspiracy theory dishrags you want to throw at the US.  Last time I checked, we’ve done a lot of good as well. 

  • Fri, May 29, 2009 - 01:16am

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    Re: North Korea renounces 1953 truce

lemonyellowschwinn-

I don’t remember them ever doing so, but in the interest of being thorough I have looked and have not been able to find anything.  Do you have a news link mentioning previous truce renunciations by North Korea?  I would love to see one, just to put my mind a little more at ease. 

agitating prop-

Yes I can easily blame little Kim Jong Il.  Even putting aside the horrible things his government has already done for a second (and that’s a whopping huge list), he (or his generals, whoever happens to currently be in charge over there) is putting his nation’s people and many others at risk for what is likely a very dangerous gamble to blackmail other nations for various concessions.  Do mistakes by the US and other nations make putting your own people at incredible risk for the sake of a political power play ok?  Please realize that one side doing something wrong doesn’t put the other side automatically and always in the right.  And finally, North Korea even without nukes has enough conventional armaments to do a lot of damage to South Korea if attacked, and doesn’t need nukes to deter US and South Korean forces from invading on a whim… in other words, they can make such a war more costly than the other nations are willing to pay in most cases.  And North Korea developing a few nukes for personal defense is not so much the issue, as is its penchant for distributing dangerous technologies to anyone who can pay.  It’s obvious you have an axe to grind with the US, and while there may be a few points I would agree with you on regarding US policy in recent years, looking at this through that kind of lens seems to be giving you a very narrow perspective.  And yes you have every right to an opinion, but please try to keep it more on topic with respect to North Korea and these events…. the war on drugs, gangs in Vancouver, and the like is rather off topic.

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I too wonder if Kim Jong Il is still in charge.  Perhaps he may still be their leader, but most state decisions are now being made by others.  But I can’t see this as being an intentional distraction from the economy or US currency collapse or the like.  IMO North Korea is a wild card in the truest sense, and with that country being so closed off from the rest of the world it’s hard to see how anyone else, even China, could influence their actions to that degree.  Though I can see Patrick’s notion of China and North Korea putting this scheme together as somewhat possible, though my question would be what would North Korea get out of the deal?

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  • Fri, May 29, 2009 - 02:04am

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    Re: North Korea renounces 1953 truce

Well, the north koreans have been ignoring that treaty since its inception. They have constantly staged provocations at every opportunity to try and destabilize the south. North Korea is truly one of the most awful places to live on the face of this planet, its 1984 come to life and it combines the worst aspects of a monarchy, communism and theocracy. I don’t see how anyone can blame america for crimes of the north koreans, democrat OR republican.

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