No difference in delta viral load between vaxed and unvaxed

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  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 06:43pm

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    Canuck21

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    No difference in delta viral load between vaxed and unvaxed

Study done in Dane County, Wisconsin:

“We find no difference in viral loads when comparing unvaccinated individuals to those who have vaccine “breakthrough” infections. Furthermore, individuals with vaccine breakthrough infections frequently test positive with viral loads consistent with the ability to shed infectious viruses.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1

 

  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 08:18pm

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    Disco Bear

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    No difference in delta viral load between vaxed and unvaxed

Can someone explain how the following sentence from the abstract of that study could possibly be true:

These PCR-based tests provide semi-quantitative information about the viral load, or amount of SARS-CoV-2 RNA, in respiratory specimens.

How can “semi-quantitative information” be used to calculate viral load?  The result of a PCR test is either a positive or a negative.  It is not a quantitative test.

If one assumes that the test results do yield a “semi-quantitative” result, how would one jump from that to a fully quantitative statement that the viral loads of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated are equal?  I suspect the answer to that question is that at best they are “semi-equal” and this study is a “semi-disappointment”.

  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 08:49pm   (Reply to #2)

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    No difference in delta viral load between vaxed and unvaxed

I can’t find it but there was a post about ct values of the vaxxed vs unvaxxed.
If I am remembering/reading it correctly the concept is the lower the ct value when Covid shows up the higher the viral load.  And the vaxxed were popping positive at ct values of 18-20 whereas the unvaccinated were positive at the 25 ct range.

  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 09:42pm

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    Reply To: No difference in delta viral load between vaxed and unvaxed

“Improving communications around vaccine breakthrough and vaccine effectiveness” from the CDC

page 15 is where the talk about the delta variant and CT thresholds/viral loads

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nv8he9bn6b57335/57c98604-3b54-44f0-8b44-b148d8f75165..pdf?dl=0

  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 09:54pm

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    Is it the perfect time to get covid?

Ive been pondering the recent data that vaccine breakthrough cases carry the same viral load as un vaccinated .  Both populations can spread it equally.

Also that the R0 of Delta must be pretty damn high.  Like six (or more) … guessing. Delta will be ripping thru unimpeded barring total strict lockdowns, which arent going to happen here in the USA.

And that the Vaccines are still very effective at stopping hospitalizations and death.

This would appear to suggest that now is a good time to get covid as a vaccinated person.   And then benefit from a long lasting natural immunity, if that is what the research per Chris is showing.

If Delta is really that contagious, we will all (Vax or not) be headed toward herd immunity shortly.

Once we have all been exposed, then this may be more like the flu in future years.

  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 10:36pm

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    Dane County WI – our possible delta variant exposure

I live in Dane County. Home of BSL4 UW Infectious Disease labs, previous home to Dr. Kory. A very blue island in a sea of red Wisconsin. High jabbed rates.

My family went to the 4th of July carnival in our town this year. None of us vaccinated, I’m the only one prophylaxis IVM using at weekly 20ug per kg. All vitamin D sufficient, all loaded up on zinc daily, quercitin for wife and me.

July 6th my 3 year old son, 7 year old daughter and 41 year old wife all get hit with a massive sniffles cold. Wife gets mild headache and nausea/diarrhea. Takes a single dose IVM of 40ug per kg, some Vit C – her headaches and GI symptoms gone in four hours.

All three wiped out for three days, three more days to fully recovered  – I never felt a thing.

We wore no masks, but we’re at the fair outdoors for about 4 hours, couple of rides and touring the farm animals.

 

I’m of the opinion we all caught a cumulative load from the crowds and got infected while outdoors in groups, thus potentially validating the transmissibility of delta.  I’ve never in my 47 years seen a “cold” come on so quickly for 3/4 of a family and I believe I didn’t get sick being the only IVM user. I never isolated and I have my kids up in my face the entire week of the fair and during them being sick.

Also, we never get sick. My daughter had a cold five years ago, nothing to talk about since.

I wish antibody tests were cheaper than they are, I’d get us all tested to prove my hypothesis.

 

  • Sat, Jul 31, 2021 - 11:10pm   (Reply to #5)

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    No difference in delta viral load between vaxed and unvaxed

Though volunteering to get covid can assist virus mutatations & possibly reducing vaccine effectiveness

  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 12:24am

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    Did not know that UW Madison has a BSL4 lab

Not surprising though, considering how big their genetics department is.  I’m from Sauk County and graduated from the UW eons ago, then moved to the Pacific NW.  My family and my husband’s are all still back there.

Glad you and your family are ok now.  I’m keeping my IVM prevention dose going weekly while my MN relatives are visiting us here in the Pacific NW.  Sounds like I made a good decision, as you did.

  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 12:44am

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    UW bio lab – SARS-CoV 2 is BSL3 handling

So a few years back, under Obama, there was a paper about a bug, can’t remember viral or bacterial, that needed to be removed from publication due to info contained that would allow someone to replicate it easily. Was a big brouhaha at the time, redacting a scientific paper, but it was done.

That pathogen existed in only two labs if I remember correctly, which I might not.  One lab was in Europe and the other was the UW Madison.

Here is page 1 of UW SARS-CoV 2 safety manual. BSL3 only. Interesting:

Biosafety COVID-19 Information

I was just driving thru Spring Green and Sauk City last week. Lovely county. Wisconsin River is super low this year.

ANYWAY, keep the horse paste or the pills handy. They helped my wife and myself superbly with whatever bug we just had. The kids were snotty and post-nasal drip, also consistent with delta reported symptoms.

  • Sun, Aug 01, 2021 - 07:08am   (Reply to #5)

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    No difference in delta viral load between vaxed and unvaxed

Though volunteering to get covid can assist virus mutatations & possibly reducing vaccine effectiveness.

A COVID-naive immune system provides no pressure for a virus to mutate.  A vaccinated immune system does provide such a pressure.

That’s why the “vaccines are failing” – it isn’t the fault of the vaccine, or the “unvaccinated” – the virus is just mutating in order to reproduce in the presence of all those vaccinated people.  Its just what viruses do.

Variants are caused by immune escape from non-sterilizing vaccines, given in the middle of a pandemic.  If the vaccines were sterilizing, this wouldn’t happen.

I believe this is what the history books will show, 20 years from now.  Our children will ask, “How on earth did you guys fall for that crap?”  But today, since Vax Marketing controls all the levers of power in the country – including our “health” authorities who take vitamin D themselves, but “don’t have enough evidence” to recommend it to you –  their self-serving propaganda rules.

This has happened before.  1930s Germany, for instance.

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