Need Advice About The Best Vacuum Sealer Machine

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  • Wed, Aug 29, 2012 - 06:43pm

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    link54

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Organic Vegan Raw

Thank you for explaining the logic behind your purchase (Business Usage) and your most valued reccomendation on a price spread you believe ($99-$199) that would work for a family.  This information helps focus my search.

MikeShap

Awesome explanation of a Foodsaver product capabilities and the limits on the machine.  Now things are starting to make sense after reading both the positive reviews and the negative reviews on the Foodsaver.  The negative reviews seem to center around the machine would just stop working after sealing a few items. I think this correlates with a post below from earthwise on his/her experiences with the machine.

My Conclusion To Date

One need to read the Foodsaver instructions carefully and use the machine as the mfg built it. Therefore if you need to seal a few items (6 or less) at a time be prepared to give the machine a rest so it cools down after reaching it’s limitation.

If you need to seal a whole lot of things without interuption than some of the other units mentioned in this thread may be a better selection. And yes these machine would cost more because the user is asking the machine to do more.

Now Have I drawn the right conclusions from the input from you all??? Please let me know.

Thank you all.   Michael R.

 

  • Sun, Dec 08, 2013 - 06:43am

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    TechGuy

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    Vacuum Sealing

About 8 years ago I did extensive research on vacuum sealing, not just for food before parts and other essentials that need protection from the enviroment. For most sealing I use SnorkelVac sold by Sorbent Systems (http://www.sorbentsystems.com/sinbosealer.html) which can handle bags up to about 11 inches. It has a flat metal insert that is inserted into the bag and is spring retracted when you press down to heat seal the bag. This sealer will work with any bags, not just the special bags sold for FoodSaver. If I recall correct the Foodsaver need special bags (at least it did years ago when I researched them). At the time, I could not find a better machine than the snorkelVac, that wasn't an expensive commerial machine.

I ended up making a small modification to the SnorkelVac so I could perform dry nitrogen flushing. Dry Nitrogen flush is used for commerical sealing since it helps remove moisture in dry goods and flushes it with an inert gas (nitrogen). I usually perform a few flush cycles to make sure I get all of the oxygen out before sealing. For the Dry Nitrogen I purchase an 80 CFT compressed gas cylinder and regulator from a Welding gas company (AirGas). I used the Dry Nitrogen method for both food and non-food items (ammunition)

Not all bags are alike. The time you can store goods in a sealed bag depend on the type of bag used. Standard vacuum seal bag (clear) are oxygen and moisture permable. Over a few months oxygen and moisture will seep through the bag. This may be fine if the goods your storing are for short to mid-term storage, however if you need long term storage than it would be recommend to use bags with oxygen and moisture barriers. These are usually the silver foil bags since oxygen and mosture can't penetrate the metal foil (usually aluminium). For additive measure, Oxygen and moisture absorbers can be put in the bag before its sealed. This will consume any oxygen or moisture left in the bag or that seeps through the bag. 

Sorbent Systems (http://sorbentsystems.com) has a lot of information about the various types of bags, O2 Absorbers and moisture desiccants. In addition to sealing the SnorkelVac (About $100 USD) they do sell commerical sealers for high volume needs. 

 Hand impulse sealers are useful if you need to seal large bags. The issue with the SnorkelVac and other retail sealers is the limited bag width. If you need to seal large bags (ie for 5 Gallon Pail mylar bags), you need something larger. I did construct my own sealer (without the impulse sealer) to seal large bags (up to 24 Inch) using a pair of 1 inch aluminum square stock that was clapped down using a pair of quick clamps. I created a silicone bead on both aluminum square stock for the seal. I purchases a cheap harbor freight vacuum pump (about $150 USD) and connected using a hose and a small diameter stainless tube (3/32 outer diameter) so that I could insert it into the bag before clamping. The Harbor freight vacuum pump can pull down a much harder vacuum than the snorkelVac, which is useful for the large bags. I used the 24 Inch hand Impulse sealer to the bag, the only disavantage is you need about 2 inches since you can butt the hand sealer right next the the Aluminum bar. I did purchase a spare sent of replacement elements for the 24 inch hand impulse sealer so that I could intergrate the the impulse elements into the aluminum square stock to reduce the bag length needed to perform a seal. However I have not spend the time to persue this project further. For the Stainless tube insert, You need to round off the end and polish so that it does scrape the bag when you remove it before sealing. The process is you insert the stainless tube into the bag. Then clamp the bag shut (using the two alum. square stock). Then pump down the back. pull out the stainless tube and apply the hand impulse sealer. This provided a good vacuum tight seal. You can build a dam frame using either a peice for wood and a wood router to mill out a slot, or simply joint four pieces of wood in a frame with long slim hole. I made my slot 24 inch by 1/4 inch. The trick is to use cheap ruban tape (the type referred as scotch tape for office supplies). For some reason Silicone does not stick to ruban tape. Put a strip of silicone on both aluminum square stock so that create a seal on both sides of the bag. 

If also used the hand impluse sealer for non food storage, such as storing spare tools and equipment (such as a spare blender or extra pots and pyrex pans that I don't need). 

Here is a list of online vendors selling bags, oxygen absorbers and desiccants:

http://sorbentsystems.com

http://www.plasticbagsforyou.com

http://www.aplasticbag.com

http://www.theboxdepot.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&keywords=foilbag&template=Templates/foilbag.html

http://www.laserlabels.com/MIL-DTL-117-TY_III.asp

http://protektivepak.descoindustries.com/ProtektivePakCatalog/Bags/ProtektiveShield/

http://www.packagingcenterusa.com/bags/ppe.html

http://estore.ultrasourceusa.com/vacuumpouches.aspx

http://catalog.amerivacs.com

http://www.vacsealers.com/

http://www.agribags.com/

http://www.matr.com/store/pc/Static-Shielding-and-Moisture-Barrier-Bags-c8.htm

 

Two Stage Harbor freight vacuum Pump:

http://www.harborfreight.com/3-cfm-two-stage-vacuum-pump-60805.html

You can by Alum. stock from many online metal suppliers. Just buy a 5 foot 1 x 1.5 inch square stock and cut it in two using a hacksaw:

http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=1185&step=4&showunits=inches&id=997&top_cat=60

http://www.speedymetals.com/pc-2337-8351-1-x-1-12-6061-t6511-aluminum-extruded.aspx

http://www.amazonsupply.com/brass-c260-seamless-round-tubing/dp/B003TFFCCO/ref=sr_1_3?sr=1-3&qid=1386484599&filterBy.item_diameter_derived=0.09375+inches

(Brass would also work for the metal tube to be inserted into the bag. I don't recall where I purchased the stainless tubing from).

 

Online Book about Food Preservation

http://athagan.members.atlantic.net/PFSFAQ/PFSFAQ-1.html

http://ndfs.byu.edu/Research/LongTermFoodStorageResearch/ResearchOnFoodStorage.aspx

http://grandpappy.info/hshelff.htm

  • Wed, Mar 12, 2014 - 03:42pm

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    Vacuum pack machines Video

 

  • Mon, May 12, 2014 - 08:52am

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    Vacuum Sealer

Well the best vacuum sealer currently has to be the DZQ:

DOUBLE CHAMBER VACUUM PACKAGING WITH GAS FLUSH: DZQ 500
Chamber size : 525 x 525 x 100mm
Sealing length : 500mm x 2
Vacuum : < or = 1Kpa
Capacity : 2 to 3 times/ min
Voltage & power : AC 220V/50Hz  110V/60Hz  1.6KW
Pump power: 0,75KW
Sealing Power: 0.9KW
Machine Dimensions: 660 x 580 x 960mm
Weight: 120Kg
 
These are just one of the few machines that Packit has to offer. See more by visiting our vacuum sealer products
  • Fri, Sep 19, 2014 - 03:00am

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    Ideal vacuum machine, table top model.

Hey kids, so here is my question. I have an Ideal vac pack machine and I am replacing the seal on the top lid. My question is, should I apply a small amount of silicon in the groove to secure the seal or not. What do you think ??  Thanks in advance.

 

  • Fri, Jan 23, 2015 - 04:11pm

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    You can but it’s not a must

You can but it's not a must smiley

 

  • Mon, Jan 26, 2015 - 10:07am

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    I found this website to be

I found this website to be really useful for finding exactly these vacuum sealer picker

  • Mon, May 09, 2016 - 03:05am

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    best vacuum sealer

A best vacuum sealer can be one of the best investments to have in the kitchen as it can be useful in many ways.

  • Wed, Nov 02, 2016 - 07:46am

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    Food can easily become

Food can easily become freezer burned when you freeze it in a baggie, but when you vacuum seal it, it helps get all the air out of the surrounding plastic, which helps prevent it from getting freezer burned. The air is exactly what causes the condensation and ice crystals, which becomes frost with your food. Vacuum sealing your meal prevents this from happening, additionally it keeps food fresher and tasting better for a longer time periods. And I am using a Crazysales maxkon vacuum sealer, highly recommend it.
  • Wed, Dec 14, 2016 - 03:51am

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    Sorry. I don’t have much to

Sorry. I don't have much to say about this. 

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