Native American Wisdom
WOW!…an inspiring story.
A few highlights:
Fish are not a resource, fish are a part of our family.
Water and air are sacred.
The indigenous cultures rule and lead generations based on natural law and common sense instead of ECONOMY.
Sorry but I just read the posting guidelines. And after listening to the first linked video by V, I’m wondering how this is not considered “religious”? Are the spiritual beliefs of the American Indian (or at least this one tribes beliefs) not considered religion or are they just exempt from the rule? I would not bring this up except that I have seen many members treated badly for posting items relating to the prophecies that their religion refers to. And usually a moderator makes a note on said post noting the “rules” or they just remove the post and/or comments all together.
Double standard?…I hope not.
V, Thank you.
I’m wondering how this is not considered “religious”? Are the spiritual beliefs of the American Indian (or at least this one tribes beliefs) not considered religion or are they just exempt from the rule? I would not bring this up except that I have seen many members treated badly for posting items relating to the prophecies that their religion refers to. And usually a moderator makes a note on said post noting the “rules” or they just remove the post and/or comments all together.
Double standard?…I hope not.
I haven’t watched yet, but wish to remind that spirituality is not under religion. A spiritual intelligence can develop and operate without acceptance of a branded creed.
deggleton is correct – we do differentiate between spirituality and the dogma of organized religion.
Nevertheless, this is a difficult call. I don’t think the videos deserve to be removed. At the very least, the beliefs of the Hopi are just that: belief-based thinking. We will compromise by moving the thread to the Controverial folder.
Incidentally, ffshack, it is unlikely that I would have ever seen your comment if another user had not flagged it for our attention.
I can only take it wisdom is not welcome at CM
V, perhaps I was not clear in my remarks….I did end up viewing the videos. Not sure how many members that have posted a reply have actually viewed it though. I appreciated the fact that you posted the info. I did not flag it. I simply asked a question because I have seen others trampled here at CM for posting something dealing with their “spirituality” and how it relates to their thoughts on the three E’s. I find it rather humorous that some believe that American Indians did not or do not practice a religion. Instead they are just “Spiritual”. I’m not posting to argue with anyone over what they do and do not think deserves the title of “religion”. The definition is fairly simple but for some a bias gets in the way.
As much as I enjoy this site and the forums, it is still bothersome to see the hardcore bias that exists against some members posts because of their spiritual beliefs. It is the same as what you might see on a major media outlets forums, but without all of the cursing.
While I can abide by the forum rules as they are, I would suggest that they go against the whole idea of community that is encouraged here on the CM website. To so many folks that are spiritual their faith has a great deal to do with their perspective of this world we all share. To shut out their thoughts because some may not agree with Religion, Belief, or Faith is narrow minded and doesn’t do much in the way of strengthening a Community.
Anyway V, no harm was meant towards you. Had no problem viewing your post and will not have any problems with reading and viewing your future contributions. Unless of course I’m run out of CM town by all the “open minded” citizens.
Moderator Jason, glad you and Deggleton see eye to eye on this. May I suggest that the both of you at least take the time to watch at least the first part of the first video?
If you believe it was my intention to have V’s contribution removed you would be wrong. I really didn’t even care if it was brought to your attention…never even crossed my mind…nor did flagging his post or getting it sent to the “Basement”. I explained why I posted what I did to V above. Hopefully this will remove any misunderstood pressure applied by me on you to spring into any further action against V’s post.
I find myself in fact to be a “spiritual” person and I respect others ability and their right to be “spiritual”, even if they or others don’t want to be identified as “religious”.
I’m disappointed this was moved. Not that I don’t frequent this area anyway, but many don’t and I feel this is a good topic for all to discuss. But it’s not my site, and I’ll live with it. As was stated by ffshack, I too am disappointed in the attitude of many posters here in regards to their disdain for beliefs not conducive to their own. I’ve stated this many times, but it doesn’t get us anywhere. Hypocrisy at it’s best.