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My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

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  • Tue, Dec 16, 2008 - 11:11pm

    #11

    Erik T.

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

[quote=jdb123]

I would quote the specifics but the 59 post thread in the HERO article have now been now been censored down to 29 posts.  I don’t think anyone on this site can be proud of that…can they…? 

Is this topic being screened now before being allowed to post…?  I guess I just don’t know….and that’s part of the problem.

I do not nor do I feel that anyone on here thinks Chris is corrupted in any way…although he did just authorize censorship of posts that met all of the "guidelines" …hmmmm.  I just hope Chris isn’t thanking Erik sometime in the future for starting his web site on its own crash course……

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Come on, jdb123, this is really getting ridiculous now. Nothing has been censored. At the request of the participants, someone else on staff moved several posts that were never appropriate for the Heroes in Action thread to a more appropriate forum topic. I had nothing to do with it, and the action was taken by someone else on our staff in reaction to numerous requests of participants who recognized that it was inappropriate for a thread intended to honor someone who has made an extraordinary contribution to this cause.

Nobody is screening anything, and frankly the only problem that I see here is your continuing insistence on posting divisive personal attacks against my character, which contribute nothing to the mission of this site. 

Let me be clear: My purpose in being here is to promote the messages of the Crash Course as far and wide as I possibly can. Our goal for 2009 is to have at least 5,000,000 people view the Crash Course message, and I make no apologies for using my business skills to advance that goal. If you’d like to help that cause, and have concerns about my approach or style, I’ll be happy to seriously consider any constructive feedback that you might choose to offer. But frankly, by continuing this campaign of personal assaults on my character while offering no constructive suggestions, you make yourself extremely easy to ignore.

I was busy arranging an in-person meeting with the founder of a national organization that promotes green initiatives when I came across this latest missive. I felt an obligation to respond only because I don’t think it’s prudent to leave false accusations (referring to your absurd assertion that censorship has occurred here) visible to newcomers to this site.

This whole thing began when I took offense to something I thought was posted in an inappropriate place, and made the mistake of engaging that person in a direct debate about his statements, rather than asking him to move it to a more appropriate place. I have already apologized publicly for that lapse of judgment, and most of the community seems to feel it’s time to put this to rest and get back to the work of promoting the messages of the crash course. But jdb123, you seem hell-bent on not letting this go, and seeking out as many different places as you can find to assert your critical views and personal attacks on my character, without offering any constructive suggestions relating to how we might be more effective in promoting the messages of the Crash Course.

I’m going back to work on promoting the Crash Course, and I ask everyone here to join me in moving past this critical exchange and focus on constructive discussion about how we can advance our cause.

Erik Townsend
Business Manager
PeakProsperity.com

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 12:11am

    #12

    Nichoman

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

[quote=ErikTownsend]

 

If you’d like to help that cause, and have concerns about my approach or style, I’ll be happy to seriously consider any constructive feedback that you might choose to offer.

I’m going back to work on promoting the Crash Course, and I ask everyone here to join me in moving past this critical exchange and focus on constructive discussion about how we can advance our cause.

Erik Townsend
Business Manager
PeakProsperity.com

Note:  Boldface/Underline added to Erik’s post  by Nichoman

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Erik…

 

Support your views…goals and concerns…but jdb123 and others do have some legitimate issues.   Also add my thanks for your time and effort in this endeavor assisting Chris. 

 

I’ll take you up on your post above welcoming CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK.

 

When responding…please consider having a fellow staffer review your response w/r/t guidelines Chris posted BEFORE POSTING.   When in doubt…put it aside for several hours or as long as you need…then redress.   Maybe you already do some of this, but offer sometimes you need to look objectivity at your tone.   

 

Enthusiasm is vital…but left unchecked can cause great harm.   True leadership besides setting a good example requires approachability…which garners trust and respect…its OK to agree to disagree.   For example, been stuck in varying degres in middle of Climate Change issue for 20 plus years. Value all my colleagues…strive to separate facts and scientific standards from opinion.   Don’t provide my real name for several reasons as have stated before…if we were in person to talk…you might better understand.

 

I’ll restate in summary several previous comments in other posts which neither you or Chris have responded to…essentially…believe your limiting your effectiveness.

 

Best Regards,

 

Nichoman 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 02:27am

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    Futuo

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

Erik made a mistake. Let’s get over it, please. He’s apologized, he recognizes that he was a bit reckless in his response, etc… and let it be clear that there was no censorship. Posts were simply moved to new threads to address specific issues, because many of us thought it inappropriate for those discussions to take place in a thread meant to honor someone in the community. It was by request of people in the community that an administrator moved the posts. It was also made clear that posts were moved. If you really want, I’d be more than happy to dig up the threads that have been started and had posts moved to as a result of that thread.

Really, there are always going to be legitimate "issues" to be had with anyone and everyone. But let’s get over this, and move on.

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 03:13am

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    Peak Prosperity Admin

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

For the record–I haven’t seen eric make mention of an error..or apologize?  Maybe I missed it in some "re-directed" aka censored thread…..but Ill concede here….he probably "acknowled some ownership tothe garbage flying on the site"…whatever…

with that said.  I WILL be making a FULL response to Eriks personal ATTACK in his response above—which IS the problem and POISON I referred to in previously removed comments—call them censored or re-directed if it makes you fell better…

For the record–I won’t be making any personal attacks..or reterick…JUST thte FACTS …if that matters…his response was WAY out of line and like a donkey should be reined in by Chris…because AGAIN—if Eric is to have this much control over Chris’ site–then Eric needs to have limits set on his behavior—as recomended by Nichoman….

My FULL FACTUAL review will be posted 12/17…if not censored….Eric Bullied ( and was allowed to bully ) Kroger off this this site…he won’t bullt me…the facts will win out!!!!!!!!!!

 

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 04:09am

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    Chris Martenson

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    No, jdb123. Stop. Just stop.

[quote=jdb123]

For the record–I haven’t seen eric make mention of an error..or apologize?  Maybe I missed it in some "re-directed" aka censored thread…..but Ill concede here….he probably "acknowled some ownership tothe garbage flying on the site"…whatever…

with that said.  I WILL be making a FULL response to Eriks personal ATTACK in his response above—which IS the problem and POISON I referred to in previously removed comments—call them censored or re-directed if it makes you fell better…

For the record–I won’t be making any personal attacks..or reterick…JUST thte FACTS …if that matters…his response was WAY out of line and like a donkey should be reined in by Chris…because AGAIN—if Eric is to have this much control over Chris’ site–then Eric needs to have limits set on his behavior—as recomended by Nichoman….

My FULL FACTUAL review will be posted 12/17…if not censored….Eric Bullied ( and was allowed to bully ) Kroger off this this site…he won’t bullt me…the facts will win out!!!!!!!!!!

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jdb123,

If you post anything more on this nonsense I will delete it and suspend your posting privilidges.

This has gone on far too long and I am putting a stop to it.

You may continue to post about ways to advance the Crash Course and messages of the Three Es.  

A full prosecutorial rehash will not be welcome.  

That goes for anybody else harboring a desire to wallow around in this topic.

I hope that’s clear.

Chris Martenson

PS – anybody interested in helping to moderate these forums/comments please contact me.

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 04:12am

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    Futuo

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

It pains me to have to post something like this, but for the sake of truth and integrity, I feel compelled.

Well then jdb, here are some facts:

Fact one – Erik’s Apology

[quote=ErikTownsend]

I am guilty of making the problem worse
by engaging Krogoth in a debate, and I apologize to the community for
not having had the sense to e-mail him and ask him to move that
discussion to a separate forum thread.

I was tempted to delete
all the off-topic (anonymity-related) posts, including my own which I
admit was not helpful. I’m not going to do that because I don’t want
anyone to feel censored. I agree with the suggestion of moving
all the anonymity-related comments to the forum discussion started by
mred, but I don’t know how to do that short of cutting, pasting, and
re-entering each one of them manually. 

This subject matter tends to bring out strong emotions in all of us,
and in this case I’m as guilty as anyone else of allowing my feelings
about this to have distracted me from keeping the discussion on track.
Again, I apologize for my contribution to the problem.

Erik

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This is still in the thread "Heroes in Action: Michael Höhne". It wasn’t moved, redirected, censored, or in any other way tampered with. If that’s not enough for you, I don’t know what is.

Fact two – Censorship

With regards to the "censorship" you take so much issue with, how about this:

[quote=cmartenson]

I am having Amanda move the relevant posts to the thread on anonymity,
leaving the few that are relevant to Michael Hoene and deleting the
rest.

I hope nobody is offended or feels censored.

Sincerely,
Chris Martenson 

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I hope your "FULL FACTUAL review" gets all its facts straight. It appears that if you have an issue with irrelevant, disrespectful posts being "censored", you ought to take that up with Chris himself. 

Fact three – we each make mistakes with our posts, and have flaws with our words

With regards to "reterick" (by which I assume you mean rhetoric), i’d like to point out the irony (a rhetorical device) in your usage of a simile (another rhetorical device) with that little donkey example. The point being that we should just get over this and move on, because any of us can find a "flaw" in any other’s position, opinion, etc… I would contend that there is nothing more harmful to a community than an inability to accept apology between members within. I don’t know what else you want from Erik.

What I’m trying to say is that without the ability to provide positive, constructive criticism and feedback, and without the ability to heal and move past mistakes, we will get nowhere. I look forward to your "FULL FACTUAL review." 

 

-Christopher

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 04:14am

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    Futuo

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

As per Chris’s last post, I retract the parts of my previous post in which I claim to look forward to the posting of jdb’s "full factual review." I’m more than willing to end this. Thank you, Chris.

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 06:10pm

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    Peak Prosperity Admin

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    Re: No, jdb123. Stop. Just stop.

OK Chris, No problem.

your request for help in moderating the forum had an excellent suggestion from Nichomen in the thread above….perhaps it was missed..here is what Nichomen wrote to Erik.

"When responding…please consider having a fellow staffer review your response w/r/t guidelines Chris posted BEFORE POSTING.   When in doubt…put it aside for several hours or as long as you need…then redress.   Maybe you already do some of this, but offer sometimes you need to look objectivity at your tone"

I would agree that a bit more oversight would be in order.  Their does seem to be a common denominator..no?  Has erik had his hand publically slapped for his reckless emails..?  Priveledges threatened…?

I am sorry that a discussion re: values is viewed as divisive.  You will have many more problems as long as Eric has this much control and lack of self control in the forums.  Although after Kroger and now myself he will probably be on his best behavior for some time to come.

As for me I will be deleting my registration on my own accord.

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 09:03pm

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

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Consider my affiliation with this site–comletely withdrawn.

Admin:  Done.

 

 

  • Thu, Dec 18, 2008 - 08:19pm

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    Peak Prosperity Admin

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    Re: My 2 cents…Cencorship…? or Free Thinking.?

Deleted – another non-helpful post from a banned member.

[Please stop]

cmartenson

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