My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

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  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 12:11am

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    Nichoman

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

[quote=ErikTownsend]

 

If you’d like to help that cause, and have concerns about my approach or style, I’ll be happy to seriously consider any constructive feedback that you might choose to offer.

I’m going back to work on promoting the Crash Course, and I ask everyone here to join me in moving past this critical exchange and focus on constructive discussion about how we can advance our cause.

Erik Townsend
Business Manager
PeakProsperity.com

Note:  Boldface/Underline added to Erik’s post  by Nichoman

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Erik…

 

Support your views…goals and concerns…but jdb123 and others do have some legitimate issues.   Also add my thanks for your time and effort in this endeavor assisting Chris. 

 

I’ll take you up on your post above welcoming CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK.

 

When responding…please consider having a fellow staffer review your response w/r/t guidelines Chris posted BEFORE POSTING.   When in doubt…put it aside for several hours or as long as you need…then redress.   Maybe you already do some of this, but offer sometimes you need to look objectivity at your tone.   

 

Enthusiasm is vital…but left unchecked can cause great harm.   True leadership besides setting a good example requires approachability…which garners trust and respect…its OK to agree to disagree.   For example, been stuck in varying degres in middle of Climate Change issue for 20 plus years. Value all my colleagues…strive to separate facts and scientific standards from opinion.   Don’t provide my real name for several reasons as have stated before…if we were in person to talk…you might better understand.

 

I’ll restate in summary several previous comments in other posts which neither you or Chris have responded to…essentially…believe your limiting your effectiveness.

 

Best Regards,

 

Nichoman 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 02:27am

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    Futuo

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

Erik made a mistake. Let’s get over it, please. He’s apologized, he recognizes that he was a bit reckless in his response, etc… and let it be clear that there was no censorship. Posts were simply moved to new threads to address specific issues, because many of us thought it inappropriate for those discussions to take place in a thread meant to honor someone in the community. It was by request of people in the community that an administrator moved the posts. It was also made clear that posts were moved. If you really want, I’d be more than happy to dig up the threads that have been started and had posts moved to as a result of that thread.

Really, there are always going to be legitimate "issues" to be had with anyone and everyone. But let’s get over this, and move on.

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 03:13am

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For the record–I haven’t seen eric make mention of an error..or apologize?  Maybe I missed it in some "re-directed" aka censored thread…..but Ill concede here….he probably "acknowled some ownership tothe garbage flying on the site"…whatever…

with that said.  I WILL be making a FULL response to Eriks personal ATTACK in his response above—which IS the problem and POISON I referred to in previously removed comments—call them censored or re-directed if it makes you fell better…

For the record–I won’t be making any personal attacks..or reterick…JUST thte FACTS …if that matters…his response was WAY out of line and like a donkey should be reined in by Chris…because AGAIN—if Eric is to have this much control over Chris’ site–then Eric needs to have limits set on his behavior—as recomended by Nichoman….

My FULL FACTUAL review will be posted 12/17…if not censored….Eric Bullied ( and was allowed to bully ) Kroger off this this site…he won’t bullt me…the facts will win out!!!!!!!!!!

 

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 04:09am

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    Chris Martenson

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    No, jdb123. Stop. Just stop.

[quote=jdb123]

For the record–I haven’t seen eric make mention of an error..or apologize?  Maybe I missed it in some "re-directed" aka censored thread…..but Ill concede here….he probably "acknowled some ownership tothe garbage flying on the site"…whatever…

with that said.  I WILL be making a FULL response to Eriks personal ATTACK in his response above—which IS the problem and POISON I referred to in previously removed comments—call them censored or re-directed if it makes you fell better…

For the record–I won’t be making any personal attacks..or reterick…JUST thte FACTS …if that matters…his response was WAY out of line and like a donkey should be reined in by Chris…because AGAIN—if Eric is to have this much control over Chris’ site–then Eric needs to have limits set on his behavior—as recomended by Nichoman….

My FULL FACTUAL review will be posted 12/17…if not censored….Eric Bullied ( and was allowed to bully ) Kroger off this this site…he won’t bullt me…the facts will win out!!!!!!!!!!

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jdb123,

If you post anything more on this nonsense I will delete it and suspend your posting privilidges.

This has gone on far too long and I am putting a stop to it.

You may continue to post about ways to advance the Crash Course and messages of the Three Es.  

A full prosecutorial rehash will not be welcome.  

That goes for anybody else harboring a desire to wallow around in this topic.

I hope that’s clear.

Chris Martenson

PS – anybody interested in helping to moderate these forums/comments please contact me.

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 04:12am

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    Futuo

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

It pains me to have to post something like this, but for the sake of truth and integrity, I feel compelled.

Well then jdb, here are some facts:

Fact one – Erik’s Apology

[quote=ErikTownsend]

I am guilty of making the problem worse
by engaging Krogoth in a debate, and I apologize to the community for
not having had the sense to e-mail him and ask him to move that
discussion to a separate forum thread.

I was tempted to delete
all the off-topic (anonymity-related) posts, including my own which I
admit was not helpful. I’m not going to do that because I don’t want
anyone to feel censored. I agree with the suggestion of moving
all the anonymity-related comments to the forum discussion started by
mred, but I don’t know how to do that short of cutting, pasting, and
re-entering each one of them manually. 

This subject matter tends to bring out strong emotions in all of us,
and in this case I’m as guilty as anyone else of allowing my feelings
about this to have distracted me from keeping the discussion on track.
Again, I apologize for my contribution to the problem.

Erik

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This is still in the thread "Heroes in Action: Michael Höhne". It wasn’t moved, redirected, censored, or in any other way tampered with. If that’s not enough for you, I don’t know what is.

Fact two – Censorship

With regards to the "censorship" you take so much issue with, how about this:

[quote=cmartenson]

I am having Amanda move the relevant posts to the thread on anonymity,
leaving the few that are relevant to Michael Hoene and deleting the
rest.

I hope nobody is offended or feels censored.

Sincerely,
Chris Martenson 

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I hope your "FULL FACTUAL review" gets all its facts straight. It appears that if you have an issue with irrelevant, disrespectful posts being "censored", you ought to take that up with Chris himself. 

Fact three – we each make mistakes with our posts, and have flaws with our words

With regards to "reterick" (by which I assume you mean rhetoric), i’d like to point out the irony (a rhetorical device) in your usage of a simile (another rhetorical device) with that little donkey example. The point being that we should just get over this and move on, because any of us can find a "flaw" in any other’s position, opinion, etc… I would contend that there is nothing more harmful to a community than an inability to accept apology between members within. I don’t know what else you want from Erik.

What I’m trying to say is that without the ability to provide positive, constructive criticism and feedback, and without the ability to heal and move past mistakes, we will get nowhere. I look forward to your "FULL FACTUAL review." 

 

-Christopher

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 04:14am

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    Futuo

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

As per Chris’s last post, I retract the parts of my previous post in which I claim to look forward to the posting of jdb’s "full factual review." I’m more than willing to end this. Thank you, Chris.

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 06:10pm

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    Peak Prosperity Admin

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    Re: No, jdb123. Stop. Just stop.

OK Chris, No problem.

your request for help in moderating the forum had an excellent suggestion from Nichomen in the thread above….perhaps it was missed..here is what Nichomen wrote to Erik.

"When responding…please consider having a fellow staffer review your response w/r/t guidelines Chris posted BEFORE POSTING.   When in doubt…put it aside for several hours or as long as you need…then redress.   Maybe you already do some of this, but offer sometimes you need to look objectivity at your tone"

I would agree that a bit more oversight would be in order.  Their does seem to be a common denominator..no?  Has erik had his hand publically slapped for his reckless emails..?  Priveledges threatened…?

I am sorry that a discussion re: values is viewed as divisive.  You will have many more problems as long as Eric has this much control and lack of self control in the forums.  Although after Kroger and now myself he will probably be on his best behavior for some time to come.

As for me I will be deleting my registration on my own accord.

  • Wed, Dec 17, 2008 - 09:03pm

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

Text removed by cmartenson

Consider my affiliation with this site–comletely withdrawn.

Admin:  Done.

 

 

  • Thu, Dec 18, 2008 - 08:19pm

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    Re: My 2 cents…Cencorship…? or Free Thinking.?

Deleted – another non-helpful post from a banned member.

[Please stop]

cmartenson

  • Thu, Dec 18, 2008 - 09:11pm

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    ckessel

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    Re: My 2 cents…Cencorship…? or Free Thinking.?

[quote=BonnieBoo]Ive been observing the comments from all on this posting and the "My 2 Cents" posting…and decided to register to ask my question….would the comment above "text removed by CMartenson" be considered censorship on this site…?  Or are we only allowing comments that are only beneficial to our self serving purposes…?  Looks a little like something Hank Paulson would do to me…?
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BonnieBoo,

If you will refer to CMs previous posting you will see that he clearly delineated his requests to jdb123 as regards the potential for and reasons why he might censor remarks.He provided every opportunity for him to participate in meaningful dialogue.

We need contributions which further the overall purposes of this site.  There are plenty of sites that allow for whining and sniveling and bitching and moaning among members. This is not one of them. I applaud and support Chris in his fair, clean and swift decision making.

 

 

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