My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

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  • Mon, Dec 15, 2008 - 04:10pm

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    My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

To put it in a simple format I see 3 areas that have set Chris apart and above the rest:

1–VISION

2–VALUE SYSTEM

2–COMPASsION FOR READERS, SUBSCRIBERS AND HUMANITY IN GENERAL

From what I have seen thus far it is apparent to me that Erik shares the "Vision", however, he is worlds apart from what I saw from Chris as a regular reader from March 2008 until Oct. 2008, in terms of Value System and Compassion. 

What is Chris’ Value system since October..?  I don’t know…I can only assume it now matches Eriks entrepreneurial businessman value system, which I find pushy, arrogant and very unattractive in general.  See his posts under the Hero thread and his Value system and level of Compassion are both very evident.

I can’t imagine that this is the image Chris wants to portray…..but then again I can only draw assumptions from what I’m seeing and reading on this site…

While I’m at it–a BIG KUDOS to Dovas!!  You are doing a terrific job on the Daily Digest in terms of quality and quantity!! 

 

 

  • Mon, Dec 15, 2008 - 09:01pm

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[quote=jdb123]

To put it in a simple format I see 3 areas that have set Chris apart and above the rest:

1–VISION

2–VALUE SYSTEM

2–COMPASsION FOR READERS, SUBSCRIBERS AND HUMANITY IN GENERAL

From what I have seen thus far it is apparent to me that Erik shares the "Vision", however, he is worlds apart from what I saw from Chris as a regular reader from March 2008 until Oct. 2008, in terms of Value System and Compassion. 

What is Chris’ Value system since October..?  I don’t know…I can only assume it now matches Eriks entrepreneurial businessman value system, which I find pushy, arrogant and very unattractive in general.  See his posts under the Hero thread and his Value system and level of Compassion are both very evident.

I can’t imagine that this is the image Chris wants to portray…..but then again I can only draw assumptions from what I’m seeing and reading on this site…

While I’m at it–a BIG KUDOS to Dovas!!  You are doing a terrific job on the Daily Digest in terms of quality and quantity!! 

 

 

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For what it is worth I have to say I disagree. I have only been a member for a few weeks but I do not see " this divergence " of his value system or level of compassion as regards the CM viewpoint. I think that each of us needs to recognise that as individuals we all have different responses to things and that is OK.  What is not OK is reducing the effectiveness of the group by publicly making less of anothers actions.Compliments such as those to Dovas are great.

I for one greatly appreciate anyone willing to devote their time and energy toward the goal of salvaging this planet and all that lives here. In reality, anyone contributing to this site (including yourself) I would consider shares that goal. I would like to see our efforts spent on getting the job done.

That said, like it or not, getting the message (and the possible solutions) disseminated is going to take time and money and I haven’t seen any "bailout" funds coming CM’s way. Chris has gotten the message created. Now it must move far and wide.  This is less about image than plain hard work. Thank you Erik for helping.

Coop 

  • Mon, Dec 15, 2008 - 09:33pm

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    Thank you Erik!

I need people here to understand something about Erik and what he’s brought to this effort and, by extension, your future.

Once upon a time, about 5 months ago,  I was struggling to complete the Crash Course while also being a father and 100% responsible for every aspect of the website which was floundering badly after an ill-advised platform switch.

I was wearing too many hats and, worse, I was carrying the entire weight of the project.  What I mean by that is I would get all manner of emails pleading for something from me.  Free advice, my sources, or perhaps my ear as one heart-rending story after another landed in my inbox.  To me this was like weight, psychic weight, that I did not know how to unload.  I felt responsible somehow for trying to fix and attend to all these problems and issues and suggestions.

And all this while my bank account was depleting rapidly and the site was burning money like you would not believe.  My internal belief system prevents me from charging for this work that I do.

So along, out of the blue, comes this guy named Erik who said, "how can I help?" and it was as if a great weight lifted off of my shoulders.

First he sent money to help spur the completion of the Crash Course and allowing me to find and afford the quality technical help I so badly needed. Then he offered to take over some of the hats I was wearing.  He was (and remains) relentless about clearing things off my plate so that I can focus on content, writing, and developing new video chapters.

I cannot control the fact that some people have reacted negatively to his style, but I can tell you where this site would be without him.

  1. You would not have a DVD at cost.  He managed that entire process and I could not have done it as fast or as well.
  2. Our translator project would not be nearly as far along.  He managed the various arrangements and agreements necessary to get that up and running.
  3. I would still be personally responding to every email at great detriment to my other efforts and (probably) overall energy level.
  4. This site would not be as nearly developed or as momentum-rich as it currently is.

And he did all of this with absolutely no expectation of current or future gain.  None.  Zero. All of his focus on money is to correct for my own abysmal failure to look out for myself in this regard and you should not see his writing as "money focused" so much as "Chris protective".   He’s trying to assure that this site becomes and remains self-sustaining.

And of all the things that he could be doing with his time and his life, he’s pretty much full time on this project.  This alone sets him far apart 

Lastly, I need to assure people that I am not corruptible or changeable by Erik or anybody.  Whichever volunteers come aboard are people I will welcome and trust and rely on but I am who I am.  At 46 years of age, what you see is what you get.

I owe a gigantic round of thanks to Erik.

And if you value the Crash Course and this site, so do you.

Thank you Erik! 

  • Mon, Dec 15, 2008 - 09:41pm

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

Thanks Eric.

  • Mon, Dec 15, 2008 - 10:59pm

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Hallelujah.  And this hogwash of trying to fractionate the PeakProsperity.com staff and community has got to stop.  It is a childish and fundimentally unfair means of criticism.  Everybody on PeakProsperity.com pulls an oar. If anybody has a beef about something, the proper way to address it is to direct the complaint to the entire PeakProsperity.com group as a whole, or to an individual member in their capacity as a representative of the entire staff.

Chris has the right to choose the people who will help him, and their presence must be interpreted as license by him to represent his ideas and the website in general.  Their mere presence is an indicia of authority from Chris.  Chris is not a lost and wandering helpless waif who must be protected from evil influences which will corrupt him. He is a grown adult, and an accomplished research scientist and businessman, and his ability to know what his own message is, and who is–and is not—to represent it ought not to be disparaged.

If he has chosen any person to represent this website, then that person deserves the presumption that they represent Chris, and therefore any general complaints about the direction of the site ought to be addressed to the Chris Martenson staff as a whole.

That’s how I feel.

  • Tue, Dec 16, 2008 - 05:01pm

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

Again–lets not confuse vision and hard work with values integrity and compassion!!  Erik is a hard worker I am sure—AND he shares Chris’ vision…..

However, I feel, and the email exchanges Erik had with Kroger provided the evidence, that, in fact, Erik values, integrity and compassion do not agree with what I saw from CM.com in the past and in an appropriate forum notation was just spelling out why I felt and feel that Erik has brought I great deal of downside baggage along with his $5,000 and hard work.

I would quote the specifics but the 59 post thread in the HERO article have now been now been censored down to 29 posts.  I don’t think anyone on this site can be proud of that…can they…? 

Is this topic being screened now before being allowed to post…?  I guess I just don’t know….and that’s part of the problem.

I do not nor do I feel that anyone on here thinks Chris is corrupted in any way…although he did just authorize censorship of posts that met all of the "guidelines" …hmmmm.  I just hope Chris isn’t thanking Erik sometime in the future for starting his web site on its own crash course……

  • Tue, Dec 16, 2008 - 05:12pm

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[quote=ckessel]

For what it is worth I have to say I disagree. I have only been a member for a few weeks but I do not see " this divergence " of his value system or level of compassion as regards the CM viewpoint. Coop 

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Coop—In all fairness…How can a subscriber for four weeks offer a worthwhile viewpoint assessing an eight month evaluation???

  • Tue, Dec 16, 2008 - 05:20pm

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

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To put it in a simple format I see 3 areas that have set Chris apart and above the rest:

1–VISION

2–VALUE SYSTEM

3–COMPASSION FOR READERS, SUBSCRIBERS AND HUMANITY IN GENERAL

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Found Value System shapes your Vision…put it 1. ..then put vision 2.

 

Nichoman 

  • Tue, Dec 16, 2008 - 09:23pm

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[quote=ckessel]

For what it is worth I have to say I disagree. I have only been a member for a few weeks but I do not see " this divergence " of his value system or level of compassion as regards the CM viewpoint. Coop 

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Coop—In all fairness…How can a subscriber for four weeks offer a worthwhile viewpoint assessing an eight month evaluation???

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jdb123,

Consider it a worthwhile viewpoint of a four week evaluation. I have had the opportunity to review a good deal of the posts on the site and they seem to cover the time period you mention. Have I missed something?

The point here jdb123 is that we have a lot of work to do and it is difficult to accomplish anything if we spend our time with squabbles. Could you just give Eric a call and work it out.

 

  • Tue, Dec 16, 2008 - 11:11pm

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    Re: My 2 cents…Vision–Values–Compassion

[quote=jdb123]

I would quote the specifics but the 59 post thread in the HERO article have now been now been censored down to 29 posts.  I don’t think anyone on this site can be proud of that…can they…? 

Is this topic being screened now before being allowed to post…?  I guess I just don’t know….and that’s part of the problem.

I do not nor do I feel that anyone on here thinks Chris is corrupted in any way…although he did just authorize censorship of posts that met all of the "guidelines" …hmmmm.  I just hope Chris isn’t thanking Erik sometime in the future for starting his web site on its own crash course……

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Come on, jdb123, this is really getting ridiculous now. Nothing has been censored. At the request of the participants, someone else on staff moved several posts that were never appropriate for the Heroes in Action thread to a more appropriate forum topic. I had nothing to do with it, and the action was taken by someone else on our staff in reaction to numerous requests of participants who recognized that it was inappropriate for a thread intended to honor someone who has made an extraordinary contribution to this cause.

Nobody is screening anything, and frankly the only problem that I see here is your continuing insistence on posting divisive personal attacks against my character, which contribute nothing to the mission of this site. 

Let me be clear: My purpose in being here is to promote the messages of the Crash Course as far and wide as I possibly can. Our goal for 2009 is to have at least 5,000,000 people view the Crash Course message, and I make no apologies for using my business skills to advance that goal. If you’d like to help that cause, and have concerns about my approach or style, I’ll be happy to seriously consider any constructive feedback that you might choose to offer. But frankly, by continuing this campaign of personal assaults on my character while offering no constructive suggestions, you make yourself extremely easy to ignore.

I was busy arranging an in-person meeting with the founder of a national organization that promotes green initiatives when I came across this latest missive. I felt an obligation to respond only because I don’t think it’s prudent to leave false accusations (referring to your absurd assertion that censorship has occurred here) visible to newcomers to this site.

This whole thing began when I took offense to something I thought was posted in an inappropriate place, and made the mistake of engaging that person in a direct debate about his statements, rather than asking him to move it to a more appropriate place. I have already apologized publicly for that lapse of judgment, and most of the community seems to feel it’s time to put this to rest and get back to the work of promoting the messages of the crash course. But jdb123, you seem hell-bent on not letting this go, and seeking out as many different places as you can find to assert your critical views and personal attacks on my character, without offering any constructive suggestions relating to how we might be more effective in promoting the messages of the Crash Course.

I’m going back to work on promoting the Crash Course, and I ask everyone here to join me in moving past this critical exchange and focus on constructive discussion about how we can advance our cause.

Erik Townsend
Business Manager
PeakProsperity.com

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