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Thanks for the post, Greg.  Someone alert Mike (Damn the Matrix).  I don’t see anyone trading shovel time shares for bread. 

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Powerful, tho I thought Schiff’s equating free market businesspeople with a classroom of kindergarteners most telling.  The only difference is that kindergarteners get punished for acting up.

ARE ELITISTS SHOOTING THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT?
My husband and I just listened to a CD of Ed Griffin explaining the formation of the Federal Reserve. It’s shocking how much manipulation and deception of which we are the victims, under the banner of Democracy. Having this perspective now, I understand why you say that the labels–Socialism, Facism, Republican, Democrat, etc. just don’t matter.

We do have a question: Who is going to bail out the US when we citizens no longer have the money to pay? If the goal is to reduce the citizens of the US to poor "peasants" like other 3rd World countries, then the time is coming when we peasants won’t have the money to pay the interest OR the principal on loans. Does not the whole fraudulant system then collapse? Where then is their power? Won’t those in power eventually be shooting themselves in the foot?
Mrs. Cook, 2009 Feb 28

Hello Mrs. Cook.
This concept deserves thoughtful analysis covering many aspects of the drama but, in my view, it all boils down to this: The elitists do not expect the common man to pay for this current debt in terms of money. In the face of crisis, people now are exchanging their personal freedom for security, or at least promises of security. At the end of that process, money as we have known it disappears and becomes merely digital impulses in accounts assigned to each person. Those digits will be used to acquire the necessities of life. The quantity people receive will depend on their service to the state and their willingness to cooperate. Those who obey will be told where to live and what work to do. Those who dissent will be cut off and will starve or beg. The elitists’ power will lie in total control over the economic lives of their subjects. Common people will support the government, not with taxes, but with human effort. They will be slaves to the system. Money is not a significant factor under slavery. Masters do not collect money from their slaves. Instead, they possess the output of their labor.
Ed Griffin
 
If this is true then the govt will have to consficate gold and silver, I’m sure a black market will still be in effect but heavily cracked down on. Wait and see.

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Bombs, explosions, secondary explosions, explosive devices….how
many more times do we need to hear these words being said by 9/11
witnesses before we start asking questions about what really happened
on that awful day?

This video shows that many actual 9/11 witnesses heard and saw
explosions going off inside the towers, long before they actually fell.
These witnesses include police, firemen and mainstream media reporters.

And what is even more shocking is the fact that all of this has been ignored by the mainstream media.

We really need to wake up to the facts and ask questions. If we don’t, what does that say about us?

9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&feature=related

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Bombs, explosions, secondary explosions, explosive devices….how
many more times do we need to hear these words being said by 9/11
witnesses before we start asking questions about what really happened
on that awful day?

This video shows that many actual 9/11 witnesses heard and saw
explosions going off inside the towers, long before they actually fell.
These witnesses include police, firemen and mainstream media reporters.

And what is even more shocking is the fact that all of this has been ignored by the mainstream media.

We really need to wake up to the facts and ask questions. If we don’t, what does that say about us?

9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!

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OK – let’s move this over to the conspiracy thread.

Does it not occur to anyone that truck and/or car bombs may have been planted in the basements of WTC1 and WTC2? Remember the first WTC bombing in 1993 used a truck bomb. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

Is it not unreasonable to expect that they learned from the first experience and made sure stronger bombs were in place in the parking garages so that they could help finish the job that the airplanes started?

The bit at the end with the old lady saying our government is responsible is baloney as far as I’m concerned!

Two skyscrapers with burning jet fuel inside them are bound to make some explosive noises.  Can you say, transformers, cooling and heating infrastructure, cracking/falling girders and beams, super-heated air bursting through windows, bodies smashing onto pavement after falling over 120 feet (I know someone who was there, and I know he’ll never forget the sounds those bodies made), or even (gasp) consipracy theory crazies dubbing their own recordings?

Even if the attacks were planned by our own government, why would they need to detonate additional explosives?  Every engineer I know tells me burning the quantity of burning jet fuel in those planes produces a high enough temperature to melt steel.

Sorry, but they just ran out of tinfoil hats at my corner conspiracy theory store.

Patrick Brown

Every engineer I know tells me burning the quantity of burning jet fuel
in those planes produces a high enough temperature to melt steel. 

According to Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, the jet fuel alone did not burn hot enough to melt the structural steel – here are their caculations (link).

Larry

Larry,

 

And according to aerodynamics bumblebees can’t fly.

 

Because someone can do some mathematics and claims that it models the situation at hand does not mean that the model is correct.

 

I think that people are really looking for a conspiracy that does not exist in this case.

 

I don’t trust the government either but lets not say we see ghosts when there are none.

 

Ken

 

Larry,

Let me pile on here – the fire didn’t have to melt the steel.  All it needed to do was get hot enough to change the tensile properties of the steel enough to lead to buckling.  Which is what happened – as each floor collapsed the static and dynamic load ratings of the lower elements of the steel support structures were greatly exceeded and they pancaked all the way to the ground.

Boo.  Cool

The fact that the second building was hit in a lower place than the first meant there was much more weight bearing down which is why it fell first.

The other argument is the buildings were designed to withstand being hit by a large airplane, they did withstand being hit by the airplanes, they didn’t withstand the fires that came with it.

2 cents

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