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  • Fri, Oct 10, 2008 - 06:17pm

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When the Federal Reserve buys T Bills with new dollars, do the T Bills disappear or does the Federal Reserve collect interest on the T Bills they own, and receive the principle when due? This question is not addressed in Chapter 7 of the Crash Course. My guess is the T Bills disappear, along with the debt.

  • Sun, Oct 12, 2008 - 11:10am

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njp, T-bills don’t "disappear," because they are liabilities of the Treasury, while the Federal Reserve is a separate entity. Whether you own them or the Federal Reserve owns them, the Treasury still has to pay their face value at maturity.

The Fed’s current H.4.1 report shows that it holds $476.594 billion of Treasury securities, including $18.423 billion of T-bills.

http://federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/Current/

When the Fed buys these Treasury securities from primary dealers, it credits them with a deposit. From the Fed’s perspective, this deposit is liability owed to the primary dealer (or its bank, if the dealer isn’t a bank). It shows up in the H.4.1 report in the last line of the balance sheet, "Reserve Balances with Federal Reserve Banks," currently standing at $119.749 billion.

Bottom line, private debt can be extinguished by paying it off or by default. But the cumulative total of public debt, in an era of permanent fiscal deficits, only grows — by being rolled over, along with issuance of new debt. The Federal Reserve has no power to extinguish public debt — indeed, the growing interest earnings provide much of its income.

 

  • Mon, Oct 13, 2008 - 06:19pm

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Machinehead:

Thanks for the response. So if the fed res is collecting  interest, that means that they do not necessarily have to print currency to buy T-Bills. Yet the purpose of buying the bills is to inject new currency into the system, or is it? What do they do with the interest?

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  • Mon, Oct 27, 2008 - 11:23pm

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More on money creation:

So the federal reserve (a system of a dozen banks?) receives the interest due on the T-bonds etc. that "it" purchases only with newly printed money as stated in chapter 8. So the interest  accumulates as an asset of the fed. Now the fed is giving 800 billion to banks etc. Is that loaned/injected money newly printed or is it from the interest earned? If it is newly printed then big inflation is on the way, no?

What normally happens to the interest earned? Is it loaned out to customers of the Fed banks?

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  • Tue, Oct 28, 2008 - 03:36am

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More on money cration:

 

Chapter 8 says that when the fed reserve buys T-bonds that "the Fed simply prints up the money" and that the money is "printed out of thin air". It is the Treasury that prints money. So how does this work? Does the Fed just call or email the Treasury and say "Send us some cash to buy some of your bonds from the banks"? And for the $800 billion "rescue"  program does the Fed ask the Treasury to "print up the money and send to us? Is there actually cash involved? If so who who gets the cash? Is it divided among the 12 Federal Reserve banks? Does the Fed have a bank account? $800 billion is a lot of new cash in the system…..

 

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  • Wed, Dec 24, 2008 - 03:30pm

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njp,

You’re confusing various forms of money.  The Treasury prints physical money but physical money is a very small portion of the total money supply.  The vast majority of the money supply is non-physical money created out of thin air by the Fed.

For example, my weekly paychecks are directly deposited into my checking account.  My monthly utility bills are deducted straight from the same checking account.  Likewise, I put most of my daily expenses on my credit card which I pay in full at the end of the month through the same checking account.

None of this money is ever in the form of physical money printed from the Treasury.

To answer another question.  When the Fed does need physical money, it pays the Treasury face value for the money (plus the cost of printing it).  So the Fed pays for it.  But today, physical money is really just an instance instantiation of non-physcial money.  If you go to the ATM and draw out $20 you now have a physical $20 bill.  But your non-physical money in your account is deducted by $20.

It’s is the non-physcial money which is the ‘real’ money.

When Chris talks about ‘printing money’ in the Crash Course, he’s being figurative.

 

  • Wed, Dec 24, 2008 - 03:38pm

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And for the $800 billion "rescue"  program does the Fed ask the Treasury to "print up the money and send to us?

No.  The Fed doesn’t have anything to do DIRECTLY with the ‘rescue’ or any fiscal ‘stimulus’.  The Treasury will print up (not literally print, though some of it might be) $800 billion in BONDS.  It will then sell those bonds on the market.  Those bonds will mostly be purchased by huge banks around the world who will hold them as part of their reserves.

The Fed comes in when it buys some of those bonds from banks in its ‘open market operations’. The Fed buys bonds from banks to grow the money supply or to keep the money supply from shrinking as it turns over bonds it holds which have matured.

  • Wed, Dec 24, 2008 - 03:48pm

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When I posted I hadn’t noticed this thread is 2 months old.  Oh well.

  • Mon, Dec 29, 2008 - 04:53pm

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Chapter 8 indicates that the Fed buys bonds which have already been purchased by banks (both US and international banks), why does the Fed buy these bonds?  Is it after the term (one year) has elapsed and the bonds are "due"?  What other reasons does the Fed buy these bonds?

 

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  • Mon, Apr 06, 2009 - 05:06pm

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Just a question to clarify……

I’ve seen a couple of times the crash course and also a very good presentation at:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CECDA315A8848B99

It seems that at the end money is created:

  1. by loans from the commercial banks and also destroyed by the same way
  2. by the government issuing treasuries, which are converted to money by the fed
  3. by loans from the fed to the commercial banks

Is that correct ? (is option 3 also valid ?).

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