Masks Don’t Work?!!

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  • Fri, Jul 10, 2020 - 06:43am

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    synbeatz

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    Masks Don’t Work?!!

Hey Chris,

I’ve been following your channel since February and I must say that you’ve been more on top of this virus than our own health officials and media.

I am a firm believer that masks DO work, yet I find myself arguing with people who oppose this belief on social media, most of whom cannot cite one study, most simply fire back with ‘merica or the word “freedom”.

But yesterday was different…

A belligerent lady on one of my friends posts was defending the notion that masks do not work, throwing the F word around (not freedom lol) and sounding super ignorant. I thought to myself, “This is going to be easy”.

Instead of posting studies, case studies, ect, I simply asked her to cite hers.

She came back with some pretty creditable science (although it looks that way on the surface).

Check this out and tell me what you think:

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

This website sites multiple medical studies…

Others she posted:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480558/?fbclid=IwAR2foBxOavyUTAHR1L0iMyAgAme3dm3IOCBLNBCD3db5xTyL47UzR8-jFKE

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?fbclid=IwAR1kojF26OarTS8al6Jkuy1J5GctxwVZkCdbSVa5djNUjeOMYGm9HyeHKqQ

I am not medically trained nor do I have a degree in the medical field, I have a bachelors in Computer Science and value logic over everything, so the logical next step would be to consult with someone who would give me a fair answer.

The anti maskers are getting smarter, I need some more ammo to fight the good fight, Chris!

Thanks and hope to hear from you soon.

Jason

  • Fri, Jul 10, 2020 - 08:06am

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couple of things

1. These are surgical masks in a surgery setting, surgery has the maximum potential to create aerosols and droplets. Surgery environment is as high risk as it gets. Close contact, large infection area and aerosolized bio-particles floating around, due to usage of different tools on open body parts. What this paper says is surgical masks are inadequate – you would need PPE with P100/N95 type of masks with glasses.  If you see surgeries happening these days, that is exactly the kind of  setup doctor’s wear.  The paper does not talk about masks in normal indoor / out door settings and non-surgical environments.

2. The second paper is a rant/opinion without any data

 

Here is  the research, which support masks

http://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2#Sec3

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v2.full.pdf

 

  • Fri, Jul 10, 2020 - 10:32am

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Here is another summary of the mask data, with links to the primary sources that you can read and evaluate for yourself:

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

  • Fri, Jul 10, 2020 - 11:16am

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    Again as with HCQ retrospective studies may tend to mislead

Reply to Synbeatz,

For N95 respirators, if you don’t design a study beforehand, how can you control for variables:

1. Fit testing

2. Doffing and donning procedures

3. Respirator storage or disposal

4. Change rooms/air locks

5. Particulate and aerosol generating activities

6. Per infection control standards patient rooms should be under negative air

7. Protocol monitoring and feedback

8. Certification of respirators

  • Fri, Jul 10, 2020 - 12:24pm

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    Masks Don’t Work?!! – probabilities

This editorial by Taleb was posted by another community member. (Can’t find the thread via search function, so can’t acknowledge…sorry.)

But here it is, may be helpful. Among other things, it speaks to a misunderstanding of compounding effects when everyone wears them, even though they don’t protect 100%.

https://nassimtaleb.org/2020/06/masks-masquerade/

 

  • Mon, Jul 13, 2020 - 08:09am

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    Masks Don’t Work?!!

Thanks All! appreciate it!

  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 04:09am

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Here’s a list of some of these studies, which deploy a wide range of methodologies across a variety of settings:

  • A review of the research in The Lancetconcluded that for the general public, “face masks are associated with protection, even in non-health-care settings, with either disposable surgical masks or reusable 12–16-layer cotton ones.” The review also backed the use of eye protection, physical distancing, and hand hygiene, among other measures, and cautioned that masks alone do not fully supplant the benefits of these other precautions.
  • A review of the research in International Journal of Nursing Studies found that “community mask use by well people could be beneficial, particularly for COVID-19, where transmission may be pre-symptomatic.” It’s unclear, though, how much of this benefit comes from masks protecting the wearer versus protecting those exposed to the wearer.
  • A study in Health Affairs found state mandates to wear masks helped reduce the spread of the coronavirus. The researchers concluded that “as many as 230,000–450,000 cases may have been averted due to these mandates by May 22,” though they cautioned that this was merely an approximation and sensitive to methodological changes in how it’s calculated.
  • A study from the nonprofit research institute IZA found that Germany’s local and regional mask mandates “reduced the cumulative number of registered Covid-19 cases between 2.3% and 13% over a period of 10 days after they became compulsory” and “the daily growth rate of reported infections by around 40%.”
  • A study in BMJ Global Health found the use of masks in households in Beijing was associated with less spread of Covid-19. Specifically, households in which people used masks before the first person to get infected showed symptoms were “79% effective in reducing transmission.”
  • A study from the CDC found that Navy service members on the USS Theodore Roosevelt, which experienced a large Covid-19 outbreak, were less likely to get infected if they reported using a mask. “Use of face coverings and other preventive measures could mitigate transmission,” the researchers concluded.

 

 

  • Thu, Jul 16, 2020 - 04:22am

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IMO, if you use a proper mask correctly It probably works.  Trouble is many are using them as fashion accessories.  The masks live in their cars, which at the moment gets hot which is good but come fall the disposable mask that gets reused for two week or the cloth mask that aunt Susie made are going to be another surface covered with germs.

  • Sat, Aug 01, 2020 - 01:18am

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    Masks Don’t Work?! CDC agrees in Non-Pharma interventions for pandemics 5/2020

Washing your hands, not touching your face, and protecting eyes, nose, mouth from contamination are good infection control measures for any outbreak, but they have limits of effectiveness. Mainly they help reduce direct contact which lowers your “initial load” meaning how much of the bad stuff you get at once. Like food poisoning, if you get a smaller dose you’ll still be ill, but recover faster.  That’s the purpose.

I wear masks to help prevent direct contamination into nose and mouth by large particles like mucous when in close contact. These do not stop infection. SARSCov2 meets AMRID’s definition of airborne:  Travels over 2 meters/78.8” (Hunan bus cluster >14.5ft), stays in the air over 10 minutes (shown at 30min+), particles size can be small (aerosolized by flushing toilet), found in air ducts/ sewer systems (HKG apt. building). As it is airborne, no amount of distance is a “safe” zone.

Face masks do NOT protect against infection per CDC study  – J. Rappoport

The reference is: “Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures.” Published in: “Emerging Infectious Diseases, Vol.26, No. 5, May 2020.” (That journal is published by the CDC.)

I quote from the abstract: “Here, we review the evidence base on the effectiveness of nonpharmaceutical personal protective measures and environmental hygiene measures in non-healthcare settings and discuss their potential inclusion in pandemic plans. Although mechanistic studies [*] support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning.”

Here are quotes from pages 970-972 of the review: “In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs [randomized controlled trials] that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks…”

“Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids… There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/07/20/face-masks-dont-work-study-published-by-your-very-own-cdc/?utm_source=whatfinge

Newly published data about the virus: Do you know who has reached herd immunity of >50% locals with antibodies? Slum dwellers in Mumbai. Millions of people in close contact, poor food and hygiene w open sewers are immunologically in a better place than all the over zealous social distancees. Since little or no running water, no vigilant “sing Old McDonald ” ridiculously while hand washing. Mask, if they have them, are thin paper or cotton.  Not sure in this population if they were dosed with HCQ as many have been in India. Be interesting to see. If they were, then the science is settled.

 

  • Sat, Aug 01, 2020 - 06:29am

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    Masks CAN be useful… but what’s your health status?

There’s a fairly strong case that can be made against mask-wearing: https://www.covid19refusers.com/heres-the-science-that-shows-face-mask-mandates-are-political-and-not-medical/ – But of course there’s an enormous difference between wearing them in appropriate situations vs. mandates to wear them everywhere outside at all times, and wearing one in the supermarket vs. wearing one 8h a day 6 times a week at work. To say there are no health consequences to extended mask wearing is absurd, a product of unawareness (because YOU don’t have to wear it 8h a day) or slave mentality.

But more importantly, realize that, while to you and decent people around the world, wearing a face mask is about stopping the spread of the virus (based on the belief in the already-officially-retracted claim of extensive asymptomatic spread, whether true or not), but to a minority of criminals, having us wear face masks (muzzles) is about submission, silencing, domination, fear, control, enslavement agendas… while they censor us to prevent the truth about effective cures coming out.

The situation is actually much like this:

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