Loss in Post Collapse America

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  • Sat, Jul 18, 2009 - 02:48am

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And I’ll try and see every detail, savor it, note the nuances, carve it into my memory.  Because I’m living with the knowledge that it all is going away — one way or another — and each instance of a given thing may be the last time I see it.  

It makes for rich experiences, and bittersweet.  Now I know (in a small, slightly different way) how someone with a terminal illness might feel.  Except it’s my society/culture that’s terminal.

Sager

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I too have been doing this.  Sometimes it has a calming effect, other times it is depressing.  Either way, I try to shut the mind off and just absorb the experience.  Last month while at a race at Mid-Ohio, I took hundreds of photos, not only of cars, but of the people watching the race.  I could not help thinking that most of them have no idea how rare an event like that will be.

I think that is what depresses me at times.  The thought that there is time to prepare, but sooner or later that time will run out and for most people, it will be too late to start preparing.  It will be very difficult for many and will be for no other reason than their belief that the government will not let this happen.

Other times though, I just enjoy the experience as much as possible and try to remember as much as I can.

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  • Sat, Jul 18, 2009 - 04:07am

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My wife & kids are out of town on their annual summer vacation. I always think that I’m going to enjoy the solitude; Mostly I miss them. I went camping with a compadre from work last weekend; Enjoyed it so much, I’m going again this weekend. The friend is unable to go, so I made a decision that I’d go by myself. Well, me and Daisy the Dog, that is. Going to escape the El Paso heat by going up in the cool air of the New Mexico mountains. Gonna do a little hiking and burn some firewood. Maybe find a little cold stream to put my feet in. Eat some campfire food.

There’s only so much worrying and prepping we can do; The garden is watered tonight, the sun will come up tomorrow, and it’ll all keep spinning.

Go do something fun!

  • Sat, Jul 18, 2009 - 01:34pm

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Aaron,

We’re all dealing with cognitive dissonance…..sort of like the aging process. I "know" I’m 60. That’s a fact. Yet I don’t feel that old….am healthy, active and feel more like 35. I "feel" young. Yet when I look in the mirror, the truth is there to behold.

It’s the same with the collapse of empire. We know there’s an elephant in the room, yet we are constantly being told by the media that this is just a cycle, history proves that we’ll "recover", growth will continue and we can sustain the unsustainable. Blah, blah, blah.

Yes, it’s a challenge AND an opportunity to practice being present in the moment.

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Thank you all so very much for the input and kind words.

Mental preparation, skill and toughness is a great thing to develop, but without purpose, friends and culture, it’s simply buying time.
It seems to me that for some, that period of time will be indefinate, and for others, it will merely seem that way.

No amount of preparation can harden you like experience.
I don’t think I could possibly say it better than Juli B did, so I’ll walk, keeping one eye on the past, and one in the present.

When the true difficulties come, I believe we’ll meet them on our feet.

Cheers,

Aaron

  • Sun, Jul 19, 2009 - 02:53am

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Aaron, another great post!

For me, life’s simple moments of caring and paying attention are a powerful force that ground my heart.

Today I’ve been doing lots of little unnoticed things for my daughter’s birthday get-together and a group of her twenty something friends…who came to camp out here in the country…I did some picking of plums for a cake, fresh zucchini for the grill, getting a bottle of local old-vine red as a gift.

Then, I heard this fluttering noise from the temporary visqueen that protects my shop…sounding intermittently on and off again…so I went to investigate. A dragonfly was trapped and confused, having struggled for who knows how long trying to figure a way out. I carefully captured it in a glass and held my hand over it until I was out the door…I suddenly then remembered your timely post concerning all of our potential loss and future uncertainty.

As I finally coaxed that reluctant dragonfly out of the glass and it flew up and away, I had an immediate sense that there was a deep truth in this simple caring action…by helping a life live where dying would be senseless, I was doing my part. Life made complete sense!

So if life’s miracles and opportunities for assistance are everywhere…I’d say that your thoughtful assistance and honest comments on this forum are somewhat like my dragonfly rescue… and with you we appreciate freedom and also your goodwill!

Brad

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Damn!  It’s threads like this-and many others- that make me wish you all lived in my neighborhood….Posts so poignant, literate, and heart-felt that I feel unable to craft a worthy addition.  Just some thoughts:

You don’t own things, things own you.

“Do not burn yourselves out. Be as I am — a reluctant enthusiast, a part-time crusader, a half-hearted fanatic. Save the other half of yourselves and your lives for pleasure and adventure. It is not enough to fight for the land; it is even more important to enjoy it. While you can. While it’s still here.

So get out there and hunt and fish and mess around with your friends, ramble out yonder and explore the forests, encounter the grizz, climb the mountains, bag the peaks, run the rivers, breathe deep of that yet sweet and lucid air, sit quietly for awhile and contemplate the precious stillness, that lovely, mysterious and awesome space. Enjoy yourselves, keep your brain in your head and your head firmly attached to the body, the body active and alive, and I promise you this one sweet victory over our enemies — You will outlive the bastards.” — Edward Abbey

"Not to worry-everyone dies successfully"– one of those Tibetan monk guys….

Aloha, Steve.

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Damn!  It’s threads like this-and many others- that make me wish you all lived in my neighborhood….

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Second that.

Viva — Sager

  • Sun, Jul 19, 2009 - 01:55pm

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Damn!  It’s threads like this-and many others- that make me wish you all lived in my neighborhood….

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Believe me Thatchmo, I wished I lived in your Kauaiian neighborhood as well. Lets all pack our things and move to Kauai! Its been my family’s dream to live in the upcountry of Maui. We keep telling ourself patience, patience, one day at a time. We’ve been there enough to know life can be really hard there, but we still can’t let go of the dream, or rather the illusion of paradise.

 

 

  • Sun, Jul 19, 2009 - 02:31pm

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Damn!  It’s threads like this-and many others- that make me wish you all lived in my neighborhood….Posts so poignant, literate, and heart-felt that I feel unable to craft a worthy addition.  Just some thoughts:

You don’t own things, things own you.

“Do not burn yourselves out. Be as I am — a reluctant enthusiast, a part-time crusader, a half-hearted fanatic. Save the other half of yourselves and your lives for pleasure and adventure. It is not enough to fight for the land; it is even more important to enjoy it. While you can. While it’s still here.

So get out there and hunt and fish and mess around with your friends, ramble out yonder and explore the forests, encounter the grizz, climb the mountains, bag the peaks, run the rivers, breathe deep of that yet sweet and lucid air, sit quietly for awhile and contemplate the precious stillness, that lovely, mysterious and awesome space. Enjoy yourselves, keep your brain in your head and your head firmly attached to the body, the body active and alive, and I promise you this one sweet victory over our enemies — You will outlive the bastards.” — Edward Abbey

"Not to worry-everyone dies successfully"– one of those Tibetan monk guys….

Aloha, Steve.

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Thank you, Steve–I love that quote from Edward Abbey…reading it today was like rain or sunshine, just what the drooping spirit needed.

Folks, in the few weeks, I’ve witnessed the gritty beauty of honesty and gratitude washing back over this site in spite of (because of ?) the trials facing us. Thank you, Aaron, for this thread — it has given us a chance to share our thoughts, fears, and responses on so many levels. I am constantly amazed at the depth of interaction and action, knowledge, and wisdom collectively expressed by this community (as well as the diversity of talent and perspectives).

(Thanks also to Chris for building this site and providing a gathering place for learning and articulating how we are responding to the challenges facing us as the elements embodied in the CC play out.)

We find community in many places–communities of place, communities of interest, communities of faith and/or values. I appreciate having community here, which is why I faced a small panic yesterday morning when my computer decided it could not, would not get on-line, not for nobody, not no how. ::whew:: all better now…computer geek doctor fixed its corrupted PCP stack and it has decided to recognize the outside world again. But I felt truly cut off from a very important part of my social structure.

 I heartily agree–sure wish we lived in the same neighborhood. Cup of tea, anyone? Or maybe a cold beer?

juli

  • Sun, Jul 19, 2009 - 02:37pm

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[quote=thatchmo]

Damn!  It’s threads like this-and many others- that make me wish you all lived in my neighborhood….

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Believe me Thatchmo, I wished I lived in your Kauaiian neighborhood as well. Lets all pack our things and move to Kauai! Its been my family’s dream to live in the upcountry of Maui. 

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I lived a coupla places Upcountry (Kula, Makawao, Pukalani) in ’95-96.  Truly a dream.  But Hawai`i picks’n’chooses who stays and I got the heave-ho (once I’d learned what I came to learn), even though I had a good job/place to live/rusty but trusty pickup (3 crucial requirements for living Maui, IMO ).  The place changed me for the better.  I do miss it (esp. the kind Pacific)…

Viva — Sager

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