Loss in Post Collapse America

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 11:43pm

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    Re: Loss in Post Collapse America

Aaron and Others,

I’d like to add another perspective.  My biggest fear is that we will stand down and allow ourselves and families to become victoms of something far worse than a financial crisis.  

Many pundits seem to agree that come this fall, we are going to see another shoe drop.  Though it may be abrupt, the slide will not end there, it will only be one more step in aquescing to long term poverty and tyranny. 

Does anyone still think this is just an accident or the result of negligent incompetence?  We are seeing a plan unfold, yes a conspiracy, to consolidate power and wealth into the hands of an elite few.  If we simply allow this to happen then we are betraying everything that is sacred in life and we will regret that dearly.

Hopefully people will come to realize that we still hold the power of self determination – we can only lose if we give up. I posted some monetary solutions that could help end the fincnaical crisis in another post.  If you doubt that there are viable solutions, please stop by and read Our financial solutions are right in front of us if we take the time to look…   

In the end, it is up to us…will we make a stand?

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 11:47pm

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Go see a game (or insert your fun activity of choice) and bring the people you care about, live a little for today while we still can. This helps to have a clear head and a happy heart so that you may make the right decisions for yourself.

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So many times of late, I’ll be in some sort of situation and suddenly my perspective shifts and I take a good long look around me —

— Last fall at a NY Giants / Philadelphia Eagles game (while tailgating pre-game)

— When I’m in a nice restaurant w/my wife (for instance, sushi about 3 weeks ago)

— At our monthly informal "come one come all bring friends" gathering w/our core friends/community

…and so forth.

And I’ll try and see every detail, savor it, note the nuances, carve it into my memory.  Because I’m living with the knowledge that it all is going away — one way or another — and each instance of a given thing may be the last time I see it.  

It makes for rich experiences, and bittersweet.  Now I know (in a small, slightly different way) how someone with a terminal illness might feel.  Except it’s my society/culture that’s terminal.

Life and (impending) loss here on Planet Now.

Viva — Sager

  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 11:52pm

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We have met the woods. Now we walk. 

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Beautiful.

  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 11:53pm

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For some reason, I’m not terribly anxious. I’m frustrated and angry about a number of things, and certainly have taken steps to prepare for what may happen, but I just don’t find myself worried too often. I do find this a remarkably interesting time in which to be living, so perhaps my curiosity simply outweighs my anxiety. I guess I’m just a bit odd…

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Doc –

I’m with you, odd or otherwise.

It is going to be interesting to watch whatever is coming unfold.  The crisis is looming and we will come out the other side and be better for it.  Straight out of "The Fourth Turning".  Time to put theory to practice.

Getcha popcorn ready.

  • Sat, Jul 18, 2009 - 12:10am

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And I’ll try and see every detail, savor it, note the nuances, carve it into my memory.  Because I’m living with the knowledge that it all is going away — one way or another — and each instance of a given thing may be the last time I see it. 

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Sager,

I do the same thing.  It’s especially hard when it’s something like visiting family. 

becky

  • Sat, Jul 18, 2009 - 12:54am

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Aaron writes:

What gives solace and strength in times of desperation and sadness?

I have had the opportunity to speak with a fair number of people who went thought the "Great Depression," and it was interesting, because the vast majority of them commented that although they didn’t have much,(materially), they felt, on balance, that they had much more, especially in terms of family and community, 

I know that people are experiencing a great deal of personal anxiety, and the social angst is quite palpable, but the impending loss (if you care to refer to it as that) will be replaced by an equal gain.  Intellectually, one illusion will simply be replaced by another.

Here’s a poignant story:

A man, hopelessly lost in the desert, was getting near the end.  After countless days without water, he awoke in the middle of the night, and decided that he must use whatever energy he had left to make one final attempt to save his life.  So he got up on his hands and knees and began to slowly crawl along the ground, lit only by the stars.  After twenty minutes or so, he bumped into a container which miraculously was filled with water.  Deliriously, the man raised the container to his parched lips and drank of the life extending fluid.  It was far beyond the greatest pleasure he had every experienced.  Blissfully, he lay down to rest.

The next morning, the man woke at sunrise, feeling revived and full of life when he peered over at the container to see that he had just drank out of a animal skull of decomposing brain.  Instantly, he became violently nauseated and was soon dead. 

   

  • Sat, Jul 18, 2009 - 01:09am

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[quote=ccpetersmd]

For some reason, I’m not terribly anxious. I’m frustrated and angry about a number of things, and certainly have taken steps to prepare for what may happen, but I just don’t find myself worried too often. I do find this a remarkably interesting time in which to be living, so perhaps my curiosity simply outweighs my anxiety. I guess I’m just a bit odd…

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Doc –

I’m with you, odd or otherwise.

It is going to be interesting to watch whatever is coming unfold.  The crisis is looming and we will come out the other side and be better for it.  Straight out of "The Fourth Turning".  Time to put theory to practice.

Getcha popcorn ready.

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I’m in the same boat with you guys.  I keep telling my wife that this is like watching the biggest drama of all time unfold and we’re actually getting to see it.  I think the biggest issue we as humans have to deal with is fear.  Every negative emotion and every problem in the world is ultimately fear based.  How much can you be afraid if you realize that no matter what you do, some day, no matter what, you’re going to die.  Big deal!  Every day I see people work themselves into a tizzy about life issues and it’s their fear that affects them more than anything else.  The death that will come though is only a physical one.  The spiritual me goes on, no matter what, forever.  Pain, hunger, thirst, heat, cold, whatever, can’t affect me in an eternal sense.  They can only affect my body, not my soul.  I have to say I find it amusing that the spiritual is a forbidden topic here when the entire situation is a spiritual issue at its very core.    

I’ve got my Gs in line (goods, garden, gold, guns, and, for me, most importantly, God) and whatever happens after that happens.  And quite frankly, I don’t think there’s going to be a collapse of the sort that many people here envision.  Life goes on.  Whether empires fall or plagues or famines devastate, life goes on.  Look at modern Hiroshima.  Look at the British Empire.  I do think that there is a high probability of a global conflagration within a 10 year period of the bottom of this economic crisis based on historical patterns.  But just as a forest fire burns out the dead wood and sets the stage for new healthier grow, in the same way, I look at what’s coming not like an end of things as we know it but a rebirth for a world which will be better than the old one.  Cheer up, it’s not that bad unless you want it to be.  

  • Sat, Jul 18, 2009 - 01:17am

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Interesting story Anarkst.

I’m going to relate an interesting set of personal observations as we have downsized, currently the last of our televisions have gone off to friends, or others interested (in our yard sale). So I’m sitting here without a TV for the first time in I don’t know how long. The additional car has gone too, and to be honest there isn’t a great deal of possessions here right now, beyond our survival gear, tools, stuff packed away in boxes for later use, and the two of us. I’m actually finding it quite refreshing, there are many things yet to do, but I can just sit and be. I’m not doing anything, although right now I’m writing this post.

Now there are a bunch of things running through my head right now, of things that need to be "done" I need to clean my gun from it’s use at the range the other day (eek!), I have to cut down the foam inserts from our Pelican cases so we can complete our FFL transfer to AK, I need to go and do a final clear up the laundry room. However I know that I have more than enough time to finish all of these things before we move. So I’m spending a moment, listening to the warm breeze rustle through the tree’s, as my wife types furiously beside me in a different conversation with someone else.

I’m breathing a sigh of relief, so often we have things that we think we have to have, and it’s illusory. It’s like being put into a place where you’re told that you can’t press that big red button, because it will have tragic consequences, day after day, you wonder about the button, what are the consequences, are they immediate, how hard do you need to push the button, and the button preys on you, until you fiinally push it, and nothing happens, the world continues, you still live, breathe, the skies don’t darken, nothing happens, and you kind of understand that you’re all part of a big pavlovian experiment. Well I’m discovering a lot of what I had wasn’t me having it, it was it having me. There’s something so liberating about it all.

On that note I’m going to go sit and meditate out by our big cottonwood, something I’ve never done in the 5 years I’ve lived here. Simply because I can and I have the time, because my stuff isn’t taking up my time.

  • Sat, Jul 18, 2009 - 01:33am

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Aaron writes:

What gives solace and strength in times of desperation and sadness?

I have had the opportunity to speak with a fair number of people who went thought the "Great Depression," and it was interesting, because the vast majority of them commented that although they didn’t have much,(materially), they felt, on balance, that they had much more, especially in terms of family and community, 

I know that people are experiencing a great deal of personal anxiety, and the social angst is quite palpable, but the impending loss (if you care to refer to it as that) will be replaced by an equal gain.  Intellectually, one illusion will simply be replaced by another.

Here’s a poignant story:

A man, hopelessly lost in the desert, was getting near the end.  After countless days without water, he awoke in the middle of the night, and decided that he must use whatever energy he had left to make one final attempt to save his life.  So he got up on his hands and knees and began to slowly crawl along the ground, lit only by the stars.  After twenty minutes or so, he bumped into a container which miraculously was filled with water.  Deliriously, the man raised the container to his parched lips and drank of the life extending fluid.  It was far beyond the greatest pleasure he had every experienced.  Blissfully, he lay down to rest.

The next morning, the man woke at sunrise, feeling revived and full of life when he peered over at the container to see that he had just drank out of a animal skull of decomposing brain.  Instantly, he became violently nauseated and was soon dead. 

   

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Your story makes an excellent point.  You can place someone in a hypnotic trance, place a drop of cool water on their skin, tell them it’s boiling water, and their skin will raise a blister!!!  Most people don’t realize that their very worst enemy (and conversely, their very best friend) is their own mind.

 

  • Sat, Jul 18, 2009 - 01:36am

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Nice Thread Aaron. I would put my $$ on you that if things get awful you would survive quite well. It seems like you would take it as a challenge with a leadership role.

#1 I bet it doesn’t get as bad as we let our minds wander around here. I know it looks awful by the #s but things that really take us by surprise are hard to plan for anyway. As long as we have things in place for a disaster & a plan it might even be a weird form of entertainment.

Some change will be nice IMHO like when the batteries go down on those carts that those 400 plus pounders ride at the Super Centers. I will have a good chuckle watching those mass consuming slobs struggle. I know I know not politically correct.

 What is amazing is how we can see this & so powerless to stop it.

Aaron it will not be that bad….as we sit around the CM camp fire with other like minded CM..ers cooking our well stored & grown food while we watch that solar powered BIG screen & share our implosion stories. At least we will be able to do this compared to most. Top of the food chain wins.

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