Loss in Post Collapse America

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  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 08:22pm

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    filled with excitement and exhilaration

When I think about collapse I seem to go through different emotions depending on what filter I’m using and where I feel I am within the 6 stages of awareness. Lately I’m feeling pretty comfortable in the Acceptance stage and most of the time I’m feeling rather prepared for anything. I’m extremely lucky to live far from where I think the real S will HTF and I have means to escape need be.

Where I find myself getting worried or stressed is trying to get family and friends to see what is going on and getting them to make adjustments in their lives.

In a way I have to admit I somewhat look forward to collapse as my old signature used to read "Things need to get worse before they get better." Yes there will be loss and suffering but I try to look at this with a wider lens. Truth is population is out of control and modern life has become environmentally/economically/morally unsustainable and unfortunately nothing will change until we hit rock bottom.

I think the coming collapse is needed for us as a species and we can and will learn a lot from it. Most of us here are already aware of the problems and perils with homo-economicus but the vast majority won’t see it until TS that HTF hits them in the face.

I still have a long life ahead of me (31 yrs old) and I don’t look forward to living it the way we do now in this doggamn rat race. What I do look forward to is a different kind of society where we can live in closer harmony with nature and still benefit from the advances, benefits and pleasures technology has given us. When I was a kid I used to think the only thing that could ever save this planet was First Contact. Now I think it’s collapse.

As long as I can get through the tough times ahead (hopefully in relative comfort) I’m filled with excitement and exhilaration to be here to witness what I hope can be an incredible global transformation.

  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 08:28pm

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[quote=anarkst]If you view personal growth as the purpose of conscious life, then adversity becomes the greatest gift of all. [/quote]

Thanks anarkst. I like this.

We’re getting a bit off topic here but I see the purpose of concious life is to witness. Consiousness is inevitable. The universe must be witnessed in order for it to exist. (my personal quote and philosophy, use it as you wish)

  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 08:51pm

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Excellent post Aaron.  You seem to have a knack of asking a question or making a statement in a way that brings about a good discussion of a subject many of us have thought about.  Thanks friend.

My plan to get through the future is to do what I can to prepare physically as well as mentally.  As most others have, we’ve been stockpiling food, bought gold, honed skills with firearms, planted gardens, visited the gym 4 days a week and preached to others to do likewise with mixed success.  There is still much to do, but I think the storm is almost upon us.  One area of focus now is mental preparation.  I’ve always been fascinated by the concept of Zen and am trying to get closer in that regard to where I want to be.  I don’t know how those around me will react, but I think I can control how I will react.  One thing I’ve been practicing with some success is the ability to shut the mind off.  Sometimes I need to stop thinking, stop planning and stop worrying and just experience the current moment.

Several years back, when my father died, I saw first hand how stress affected all of us in the family differently.  Petty issues turned into big arguments over simple things like where to eat dinner.  At the time, I kept telling everyone that was complaining about others that they are just seeing that person’s reaction to stress and not to take it personally.  Hopefully, that lesson will help us get through the next couple of years.

I know it may sound wrong, but I’m hoping to find some enjoyment in the coming storm.  If it can be avoided, then I pray we avoid it, but if it cannot, I intend to make the best of the situation.  If we get to the point where having a turkey at Thanksgiving means learning to hunt and spending a couple of days in the field, then it will be enjoyed for the experience it is.  I know there will be situations that I’d not wish on anyone, least of all my own family, but I do think there may be something to be gained in other areas.

Put simply, my plan is to prepare for the worst without ruining our outlook on life, while trying to find and focus on any positive elements of the time we are starting to experience.

Thanks,

Tim

  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 09:03pm

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JAG,

[quote]Now its time for me to practice what I preach, as an old friend of mine and his family are dealing with unbelievable suffering right now. Life can be a real nightmare at times.[/quote]

As well, I’ve similar situations on several fronts. Today, I’m feeling a bit beset. I’ve noticed the physiological effects you mentioned, and it can be tough to stay motivated.

I really appreciated your feedback and comments, Juli B.
What a great time to start learning something fresh.
I picked up a guitar, perhaps it’s time to explore the options there.

Gungnir,
Thanks for your advice as well.
Generally the natural world is a great way to humble your problems! I’ll circulate your suggestion, and see if it can bring calm to some lives.

Cheers and best wishes to all. May we continue to bond under mutual hardship.

Aaron

  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 09:24pm

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thanks for this thread Aaron

I’ve found that keeping busy is the best way to avoid thinking too much and getting depressed.  Having two active, healthy, happy teens helps.  My daughter’s grad party is tomorrow.  My son is into his 3rd of 4 straight days of baseball and 7th game since last Sat.  Plus, we’re helping out with a couple tournaments friends’ kids are playing in.  I took my daughter to the new Harry Potter flick last night.  I’m a sucker for the books and movies.  We’re cutting and splitting firewood when we have time, I have to install a new gas tank and a safe in the next couple days and we’re supposed to be on vacation this coming week.  So, I’m not sitting and contemplating much.  I’m living in separate realities, one the regular flow of life, the other preparing for whatever is coming.  They seem to balance out and keep me focused.  Even though I can trot out the possible parade of horribles, I can’t and don’t want to escape the present.  Life is pretty good, all things considered.  Enjoy it while we can.

  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 09:44pm

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Cut military spending to 450 billion, savings of 450 billion a year

Cut social security benefits by 200 billion, medicare by 150 billion, savings of 350 billion a year.

Just by cutting these three programs the US can save 800 billion. Considering the deficit will NOT be 2 trillion next year or the year after, it is possible that we can avoid a monetary catastrophe. Also, consider the asian exporters are too scared to alter the status quo too abruptly.

Not all is lost. Have to think somewhat positive

  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 09:54pm

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I’m more worried about what would happen if we didn’t collapse, personally.

But this thread is about dealing with stress and hardship in times of tribulation; be they during a collapse or otherwise…
If it’s all the same, I’d prefer the dialogue was kept on that topic, as many of us are experiencing hardship, and the comraderie is a good way to ease the tension, share ideas and keep in contact with friends.

Cheers,

Aaron

  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 10:07pm

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[quote=Aaron Moyer]As well, I’ve similar situations on several fronts. Today, I’m feeling a bit beset. I’ve noticed the physiological effects you mentioned, and it can be tough to stay motivated.[/quote]

if I may recommend a book by Jon Kabat-Zinn called "Full Catastrophe Living", recommended to me by a psychologist when I began somaticizing symptoms due to excessive stress over too long a period. These symptoms were varied, I went through a lot of testing and wound up being the healthiest and sick person my Doctor knew. In laymans terms my brain was (is) throwing phantom "pain" alarms and my conscious mind was scanning for the source of the pain, focusing on my three "scare" areas, Pulmonary (Heart and lungs), Intestinal, and Lymphatic systems, invariably I found a pain in those regions not too surprising, which added to my stress, which increased the symptoms, meet Mr. Positive Feedback Loop, in the past year I’ve had 4 complete blood and metabolic panels, upper and lower GI endoscopies, Abdominal CT scan (with and without contrast), 2 Chest X-Rays, 2 Stress Echocardiograms, and an Electron Beam Tomography of my Coronary arteries, not to mention general examinations, poking and prodding as generally happens when you visit your Docs. All is well in the Gungnir systems (except a sub 5% Mitral valve regurgitation, that normally would not have normally been detected), but I still get weird aches pains and issues cropping up in all these areas again and again, although improving.

[quote=Aaron Moyer]I picked up a guitar, perhaps it’s time to explore the options there.[/quote]

Sure is brother, you’ll have fun learning and there’s nothing better to do that pull out a guitar when sitting around a campfire and rattling off a few old favorites.

[quote=Aaron Moyer]Generally the natural world is a great way to humble your problems![/quote]

Indeed, but that’s how I put things into perspective so I can experience the moment. Others have other mechanisms, I also try to do 20 minutes meditation daily. 

Anyway back to packing…

 

  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 10:28pm

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"So, my question is this: 
How do we deal with it? 
No one is immune to the psychological trauma of losing someone they love dearly.
Or to violations, or visions of catastrophe.

As these things build up, and the pressure brings this situation to an explosive level, how do you keep focus amidst the loss? 
What gives solace and strength in times of desperation and sadness?"

Hi Aaron,

Good questions! I too have noticed how things seem to be "speeding up" of late as CM says.  I’m not a particularly spititual or philosophical fellow having pretty much been raised on the value of hard work and getting things done and then followed by a good nights sleep.

But after having gone through a bit of a learning experience the past few years due to my gut feeling that all was not well and then doing the CC last fall I basically had a major "oh s*!$" experience. I can best describe it as realizing that my worst fears were not wild speculation but rather the simple hard facts. These things test one’s strength for sure.

Then I began spending time on this site reading your and others posts and that has been invaluable to me. I have been able to take action and piece together a plan of sorts to deal with things.

Interestingly, some of your posts on the Definitive Firearms Thread have helped me answer the questions you have asked today!

How do we deal with it? 
No one is immune to the psychological trauma of losing someone they love dearly.
Or to violations, or visions of catastrophe.

A couple of months ago, after passing out over 100 CC dvds and talking to anyone who would listen, I realized that very little change was actually happening as regards general awareness etc. So I drew a line in the sand and said "That’s it. Next week I am going to start delivering the CC on Thursday nights and I am going to continue do so until no one is any longer interested".  The experience and results of doing this I had no idea would be profound for me but it has been!  It has really helped answer the last two questions you asked.

how do you keep focus amidst the loss? — Activity that builds community and helps others and keeps the focus on positive actions.

What gives solace and strength in times of desperation and sadness?"  –Knowing that one’s efforts have helped a few others be better prepared and having made new friends and acquaintences seems to work pretty well.

Hope this helps!  If you have occasion to travel south to bankrupt California let me know. I know of one of the best and most remote fishing holes in the central Sierra.  All native trout!

Coop

  • Fri, Jul 17, 2009 - 10:41pm

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Great thread Aaron! 

A reminder to myself to do some of these things that I know make me feel better, happier, and less stressed:

Gardening, Baseball (watching/radio listening — wonderful to do while gardening), photography, reading (currently reading the John Adams biography), listening to music, hanging out with friends – both human and animal. 

Happy Weekend to all of you,

becky

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