Long Haulers…re-hospitalization and mortality

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  • Tue, Jan 19, 2021 - 04:17am

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    Oliveoilguy

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    Long Haulers…re-hospitalization and mortality

A pre-print study in the UK shows 30% of discharged Covid patients are readmitted to the hospital and 12% die.

https://www.rt.com/uk/512913-covid-survivors-rehospitalized-study/

  • Tue, Jan 19, 2021 - 04:23am

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    Study on long hauler mortality

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.15.21249885v1.full.pdf

  • Tue, Jan 19, 2021 - 04:39am

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Thank you for posting. The number of subjects is quite large with matched controls. “47,780 COVID-19 cases (4,745 ICU and 43,035 nonICU) were included in the analysis”.  Sobering.

My condolences as well Oliveoilguy for your loss during the pandemic.

  • Tue, Jan 19, 2021 - 05:07am

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I read that study the other day; It should be an eye opener.

I do not believe it will affect me locally.  As our hospital death rate for white people is about 55% – meaning of all those hospitalized in our county, more than half leave in a body bag.   I thought early on that the deathrate for hospitalization was about 30% , and it fell after better standard of care that included blood thinners and steroids..  I am uncertain what they do where I am , but we have the worst medical in the nation.. I have stated that for decades.   Interesting enough, the death rate for hospitalization for blacks in my county is just 22% ( so i guess all that racist stuff only applies if you are actually white )   And no , I do not live in a county full of elderly people.  In fact its county with a major state university.       I will not go to the hospital here no matter how sick I get.   That can only end one way there.

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It’s because people are foolishly trusting the alleged “health authorities” instead of using the effective treatments. Of course you’ll “face elevated rates of multiorgan dysfunction” if you allow the virus to reach other ACE2-expressing organs and your immune system is lacking required nutrients like vitamin D.

  • Thu, Feb 18, 2021 - 09:56am

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I seem to be having ongoing long hauler symptoms. 3 months ago I came down with Covid symptoms all of a sudden. I treated with IVM and everything else right away and within a day or two it was gone. I then tested negative for Covid (but the testing up here was different than elsewhere and more prone to false negatives). The symptoms were all so classic Covid and didn’t fit anything else, I can’t believe it wasn’t Covid.

A week or so after initial symptoms I got a metallic taste in my mouth which has lasted ever since. I have also had a strange mirrored “arthritis” pain in my left and right index finger knuckle joint. Joint pain is one of the long hauler symptoms. I also go through alternating periods of feeling 100%, and then coming down with a minor irritating cough / shivers for a few days every few weeks. Today I have pain in my left lung. I treat with IVM when this happens and it usually goes away in a couple days.

I haven’t gotten anyone sick, other than possibly my mother after the initial infection who got lung tightness but presumably we treated her very early in the infection and it went away quickly.

So if I don’t have the virus anymore how is it possible I could be having this ongoing immune response 3 months later? I don’t get it; you’d think you’d get over it.

  • Thu, Feb 18, 2021 - 10:14am   (Reply to #6)

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As I understand it, the Ivermectin and Coronavirus Facebook group (related to FLCCC I believe) recommends daily IVM dosing past the point where you appear to be doing better. And maybe at a higher dosage. It’s the ongoing inflammatory response, not an active infection. Dr. Marik’s webinar showed that the worst symptoms are after the virus has died off but remaining viral fragments cause the reaction.

  • Thu, Feb 18, 2021 - 04:00pm

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    Paper on treatment of long-haulers

Wow, I just got stung by the “delete your long-post when you go to edit it” bug that seems to happen here now and again. Ouch!  You think I’d have learned to type up comments (and save a draft copy) outside of PP.com by now…sigh!  Anyhow-

Thanks for your posts Mark_BC and Kat43.  My brother had COVID-19 6 weeks ago, with the typical fever, aches, fatigue, and dry cough.  He took a test and tested positive (FWIW).  Luckily, he was never so sick as to require hospitalization.

He is mostly better now.  However, despite having taken a couple of doses of ivermectin when he was actively sick, he can’t seem to shake the dry COVID cough, which I find worrying (we aren’t spring chickens anymore!).

Based on the more recent updates to the i-Mask protocol for outpatients, and based on recent comments by Dr. Kory (I think in the webinar we listened to here), I encouraged my brother to try ivermectin again, at .2 mg/kg, for up to 5 days (and even more if the symptoms have not abated, which is what Dr. Kory said he would do).  After 3 days, his cough has still not yet gone away. But he said he’d try it for at least 5 days, so fingers-crossed.

I also encouraged him to take the other supplements in the i-Mask outpatient protocol.  When he and his wife first got sick, I dropped off a “Get Well” basket with most of the recommended supplements from my existing supplies (came in handy to have then right on hand!!).  So I know they have them! 😉

But given Kat43’s mention of Dr. Marik’s webinar, I thought I’d see if could find anything my Dr. Marik on treating long-haulers. So I did a search using the terms: Dr Marik FLCCC long-hauler, and found this paper: “A Study of a Successful Treatment for LongCovid (Longhaulers)”.  It was at https://covid.us.org/2021/01/12/a-study-of-a-successful-treatment-for-longcovid-longhaulers/  Apologies if someone has already posted this elsewhere.

I thought Dr. Marik was the author at first.  But it turns out his name was on that webpage for related research.  The actual authors are: Aguirre-Chang, Gustavo; Castillo Saavedra, Eduardo; Yui Cerna, Manuel; Trujillo Figueredo, Aurora; and Córdova Masías, José.  The article is a translation, posted on Research Gate on July 11, 2020.

Here’s what they say about the treatment, which uses ivermectin.  They acknowledge the fact that the recommended dosing is very similar to the i-mask protocol.

“Patients with fatigue were excluded. This author’s family member had LongCovid — memory loss, brain fog, fatigue, loss of appetite, mood swings — which was resolved with treatment by ivermectin. Persons with fatigue may also respond to ivermectin.

These LongCovid patients were early in the course of this post-acute illness. Results might be different in persons with longstanding LongCovid.

For patients with mild symptoms, the protocol was 0.2 mg of ivermectin per kilogram of patient body weight. This dose was given for two consecutive days.

For patients with moderate symptoms, the dose was doubled to 0.4 mg per kg of body weight, for the first two consecutive days. Then for the next two days, the lower dose of 0.2 mg/kg was given. So the length of treatment was double, four days total, at a higher dose for the first two days.

Then: “If a patient continued to have symptoms after the fourth day of treatment, more doses of Ivermectin were indicated. Treatment then continued for additional days until either clinical improvement was observed, or there was no longer further clinical improvement with treatment.” [1]”

This sounds similar to what you were saying, Kat43.

If my brother’s Covid-cough doesn’t go away after the next couple of days, I may suggest he bump up his dose to .4 mg/kg for 2 days, then back down to .2 mg/kg again, as they suggest above for those with moderate symptoms.

As to their results:

“RESULTS: 33 adult patients with Persistent or Post-Acute Symptoms of COVID-19 were treated with Ivermectin. In 94% of the 33 patients, clinical improvement to some degree (partial or total) was observed after 2 doses of Ivermectin. Total improvement (without any symptoms) was observed in 87.9% of the patients after the 2 daily doses of Ivermectin. In 12.1% of patients whose symptoms had not been completely resolved after the first 2 doses, additional doses of Ivermectin treatment were administered according to the protocol, and total clinical resolution of symptoms was observed in 94% of cases.” [1]

 

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