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  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 08:22am

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    johnvdz

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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01935-7

any comments? not sure why my last post got deleted?

 

  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 10:20am

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    Daryl Anderson

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You implicitly ask an important question which will certainly be raised by proponents of vaccinating kids. This article is an interesting study in MSSM (main-stream scientific media) grappling around the push from on high to fear-monger and actual science.

My overall take is that the article ultimately demonstrates that there is no long-haul covid scientifically identifiable in kids and furthermore makes plain that the fears about long-haul covid continue to be exaggerated by MSM and MSSM… and also much, much more touted than more significantly documented concerns with “long-haul” vaccine injury.

Nevertheless this may be an important thing to watch. I expect we will start to see official “infection rates” and other scare-rates fall – as continued manipulation of labels like hospital admissions are exposed (and with the useless PCR test retired). If the fear agenda is to be supported there will be no retirement of these tactics to simply rest on the false “vaccines worked” narrative and instead the long-haul bogey-man will be hauled into the headlines.

Here is what I get from the article:

It sets out, under an inflammatory heading “Alarm Bells”attempting to scare with a discussion of an older study  which seems to suggest so-called “long covid” in up to half of adolescents who had had covid “symptoms”. But only halfway into the Nature article does it ask the properly scientific question :

You need a control group to tease out what is truly infection-related,

Indeed. Since the “symptoms” they identified as long-covid included “fatigue, headache, insomnia and difficulty concentrating”  they note, honestly and worth crediting, that:

“other pandemic-related phenomena, such as school closures and the trauma of seeing family members sick or dying from COVID-19 could result in those symptoms too, and artificially inflate long-COVID estimates.”

Indeed. So the “alarm bells” studies people went on to actually do a study of a larger group including both adolescents who tested seropositive for covid (188 kids) and those who did not (1365).

This study with controls found a high rate of the symptoms they describe (35%) across the board but no statistical difference in these symptoms between adolescents who were covid seropositive and the much larger number who were not.

So the ultimate study with controls actually showed a distressing but un-mentioned fact: a very high rate of distressing symptoms in young people regardless of covid seropositivity and that should be the title of the article: ‘Why are so many (35%) of adolescents showing these signs of chronic disorder in the covid era since it is not from the covid?’

After that it is back to MSSM yadda-yadda with a buried suggestion from the author of the above studies of perhaps a 1% rate of so-called “long covid” sandwiched under yet another study mentioned which does not look at controls and, surprise, finds higher rates.

Finally if you plow through the entire complex mess you find them acknowledging – at the end of the article – that that “there are no set diagnostic criteria [for long-covid] in adults, let alone in children”.

  • Sun, Sep 26, 2021 - 08:15pm

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Daryl Anderson thanks for that reply. Here in Australia this debate is just starting up and also heating up at home.. where talking 0-12 year olds and this article was forwarded to me as to why it should be done. i agree with you.. it doesn’t prove anything nor does it even attempt to weigh vaccine injury against Long Haul..(what ever that means.. seems to be a swimming ever evolving fear machine). I’m trying to build arguments and get on top of this even with my very limited knowledge of these things. but the really worrying thing after being told “kids are immune so they’ll be fine” to now kids are at risk. it scares me that there coming for our kids with no long term guarantee’s against there future. i don’t see the debate as the same as with adults just seems way out of control.

i have to laugh but based on this article i realized one things! and that is i have long haul covid.. fatigue, insomnia and headaches.

  • Tue, Oct 05, 2021 - 07:26am

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“Why are so many (35%) of adolescents showing these signs of chronic disorder in the covid era since it is not from the covid?’”

Lousy diet and lifestyle choices. Kids eat a lot of processed food nowadays, are stuck on their phones, and stay up late because their parents don’t police the phones. JAMA had a recent study that since the lockdowns kids have gotten heavier. 5-11-year-olds (I think I’m remembering the right age range) went from about 35% overweight/obese to 45%!

With these kinds of numbers, it would not surprise me if we saw more long covid or severe disease. What does the constant wearing of masks in school do to their cellular respiration and their ability to fuel that respiration if they are not eating healthfully? The ATP alone needs plenty of magnesium just to be biologically active, not to mention the micronutrients needed for the rest of the cycle.

 

  • Tue, Oct 05, 2021 - 11:00am

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Thanks for this post!  I had seen some headlines about kids/teens having a 35% or so long haul covid rate. What????  I had listened to a Dr. John Campbell podcast quite some time ago where reported on a 5% long haul covid rate after 8 weeks and 2% after 12 weeks (across all age groups). That doesn’t sound unreasonable to me. But 35% in kids… had me wondering what was going on. Was it Delta? Thank you for pointing out the study with the control where teens had the high levels of “long haul covid” without having covid.

It takes a lot of work, knowledge, persistence to keep up and figure out what is being said is not necessarily what is Happening.

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