Li-Meng Yan @ Loose Women

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  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 12:51pm

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    Censorship from China

That didn’t take long.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/facebook-censors-tucker-carlsons-interview-rogue-chinese-scientist

Twitter and Facebook very quickly shut her down over the most recent allegations. What are the odds China is influencing the tech companies behind the scenes? Probably about the same as their influence in Hollywood:

https://www.axios.com/china-censor-hollywood-films-14d77229-b853-4e7a-8635-71191393615d.html

“Instead of us doing business with China and that leading to China becoming more free, what has happened is a place like China has bought our silence with their money,” [director Judd] Apatow said. “They have just completely shut down critical content about human-rights abuses in China.”

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/hollywood-director-judd-apatow-china-has-bought-our-silence/

  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 03:01pm

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    Li-Meng Yan @ Loose Women

This is corroborating evidence of the interest and investment in a narrative; as opposed to open discussion and explanations. The CCP feel it is their destiny to be world dominators; but the demographics of their one child policy have created a time line. Although they may be able to equal the US in a shooting war in 5-10 years (and not the best option for a densely populated country) that is past the demographic hump for them, so proxy wars or unconventional (virus) warfare is left.

  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 05:55pm

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    JC on a bike take

JC on a bike (a neuro-biologist) parses the paper. Over my head but may be of interest to the scientists in the house.  He finds the paper and its authors credible.

  • Thu, Sep 17, 2020 - 10:23am

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mpup

Part of the reason the pandemic has been handled so poorly.

Event 201 and countless others show the world that nations were exceptionally unprepared for a pandemic and were not taking it seriously. If we rewind to an arbitrary date of July 2019 and somehow conduct a country-by-country audit to walk through the response of the nation at every level, you would find that exceptional failure at virtually every level. We have been waving red flags of a coming pandemic level event for years for virtually no nation on earth felt the need to be prepared. So the primary reason why the pandemic has been handled so poorly is due to the incompetence and lack of planning by virtually every nation on earth.

 

nordicjack

 if it was able to cross infect so many different species, we would have seen it long ago

This is absolutely incorrect. We are dealing with probabilities here in the billions. In fact, we scientists repeatedly predicted this exact pandemic countless times and said it was a matter of time. A time would come where a pandemic would hit the world and therefore the virus in question would infect many different species. Unfortunately, this is textbook what we would expect during a pandemic.

There is no way to go from nothing, to every species in the world

This is hyperbolic, we have identified a handful of species that this virus has infected. Stating that this is infecting billions of species is beyond a bit much. Take the common cold for example, aside from other viruses, 4 specific coronaviruses help represent the grouping. Countless species across the world become infected with a form of our common cold and therewithin lies the key, a FORM. When a human host infected with hCoV-2019 infects a mink, the virus sheds various features and changes in order to infect the host. This is called survival. The virus in the mink and the virus in the human are absolutely not the same. More importantly, once the virus has properly infected the mink, it is exceptionally improbable that the mink will be able to infect humans, to which the virus in question can infect human cells. Although the human would contract the virus, there is a high probability that the host cells would not be infected due to the massively changed ORF1ab and slight changes in the RBD motif of the Spike protein.

There is also way to much damage going on inside the body to say this is just nature, at least for this type of respiratory virus

Apologies but your lack of scientific understanding is stopping you from understanding what is happening here. This virus does not attack the respiratory system. In fact, the virus wants to co-exist with its human host and live forever. There is a distinct difference between SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV2 that I need to clarify. In our example, we shall call hACE2 a Ford car and the virus is the thief. We shall start with SARS-CoV (circa 2002), think of this virus as a car thief with intermediate hotwiring skills. The virus can sometimes do a somewhat decent job at stealing the Ford cars. Other times it flat out fails to gain entry into the vehicle, let alone hotwire it. Other times still it is simply too weak to even attempt to break into the car because its “physical being” lacks “rigidity”, so to speak. In stark contrast, SARS-CoV2 need not learn to break into the Ford car nor need to learn how to hot-wire cars. This virus, out of the box, comes with the CAR KEY. This means it has a massively higher success rate at driving away with said Ford car. Now, is it possible that this virus would have such a skill out of the box? Absolutely! There are many factors involved but this could and does absolutely occur in nature. Now we turn to the Ford car in question, which is the hACE2 system, which is a component of the RAS (Renin-Angiotensin System). As this virus is doing a MUCH better job at hijacking functions of the ACE/RAS system we would absolutely expect to see hypertension, clotting, coagulation, cardiac arrhythmia changes, heart attacks, increased blood pressure. In patients with existing conditions, many of these outcomes would reduce oxygen saturation and cause functional issues with various organs, the primary of which would be the lungs and heart. This explains why this virus is able to attack so many organs out of the box. This became more deadly in late January when a significant mutation occurred within the Spike protein. As that form of the virus did a much better job at both replication and docking, this virus (G clade) became the dominant form around the world. The virus also found new cars to hijack and new routes to stay alive. Having access to so many different car keys out of the box is questionable, but we have exceptionally limited information on any car brands aside from Ford, since that has been the primary research topic. In summary, to call this virus a respiratory anything is exceptionally misleading. It is foremost impacting the blood regulation system, which is causing coagulation, which is, in many advanced cases, leading to respiratory failure.

But I firmly believe without any trace of doubt. ( if sitting on jury , given the evidence i have seen, ) it definitely is lab made

I can factually walk you through exactly how this virus would have originated in nature. Every single component of this virus can be explained by natural origin. We are simply playing with very high numbers of probability. So this could have been natural or it could have been made in a lab. Due to sheer probability and human stupidity, it has a higher probability of being made in a lab and then accidentally released. That being said, quickly dismissing natural origin would be a mistake as this virus can 100% be explained by nature.

 

davefairtex

I found it very convenient for the CCP that Dr Li Wen Liang died “from the corona virus” at age 34.

Dr Li Wenliang was a chain smoker and had underlying co-morbidities. So I would classify him as high risk for the virus. Also, he was absolutely not a whistleblower. Dr. Ai Fen is the one who brought attention to this novel outbreak. She shared her information with colleagues in Wuhan and some across China and is the true hero. Dr. Wenliang had absolutely nothing to do with the virus and received the information to Dr. Ai Fen was putting out. Not grasping the severity of the situation, he forwarded that information to various classmates, some of whom spilled that private information onto social media, which is how Dr. Wenliang got in trouble for allowing private information to go public. At no point did Dr. Wenliang whistleblow to the public. I mean no disrespect to his memory but everyone talks about him when in reality it was Dr. Ai Fen that is the whistle and the whistleblower as she is the SOLE PERSON in China that started the noise!

I saw Dr. Li Meng-yan’s interview on Tucker Carlson and I am absolutely positive that when he asked her if this was an intentional release, she misunderstood the question as “was this virus intentionally created” or “did they do this on purpose”. That does not translate the same into Mandarin. This is quite telling in her response. Listen to her response and it should be quite obvious that she is responding to a question of whether the CCP created the virus intentionally. I speak Chinese and have listened to all of her interviews and appearances in Mandarin and she has never once even suggested that the release of this virus was intentional. Unlike in English, she express her points with detail and clarity with Chinese and make her various proofs evident.

 

Although in Mandarin Chinese here is her first public Mandarin interview in the USA. The host is a well-known ex-China talk show host that many Chinese-Americans follow. This interview broke WeChat in America, the “WhatsApp” for Chinese. She talks about the difficult choice of fleeing Hong Kong. Doing what was right. Her research into the virus. Request by superiors to surpress information. Dishonesty in the WHO. Alleges lab manipulation by the CCP on Bat SL-CoV ZXC21 (MG772934). Chinese video can be seen here. Her answers are detailed and clear.

 

I have printed out her recent paper but have not had time to review it. Cases are increasing here in Germany due to anti-mask protests and we have been inundated with genome sampling. I have missed many posts and will unfortunately continue to do so.

  • Thu, Sep 17, 2020 - 12:01pm

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    probability

Dr Meyer-

That’s awesome, thanks for the clarification on the “intentional release” comment.  It makes her just that much more credible to me.  The intentional release thing just didn’t seem likely at all.  But intentionally created?  That made 100% sense.

Now then, about your statement:

I can factually walk you through exactly how this virus would have originated in nature. Every single component of this virus can be explained by natural origin. We are simply playing with very high numbers of probability. So this could have been natural or it could have been made in a lab. Due to sheer probability and human stupidity, it has a higher probability of being made in a lab and then accidentally released.

Sure.  I can also explain factually to you how I could physically flip a coin 32 consecutive times, and each time, it would come up “heads.”  What is the likelihood of this happening?  If I remember my combinatorics correctly, it is 2^32.  How long would I have to spend coin-flipping (assuming each flip took a second) to come up with a 50% chance of that happening?  I believe the answer is: 68 years.

So moving to your statement:

“Due to sheer probability and human stupidity, it has a higher probability of being made in a lab and then accidentally released.”

And what would you say the probability is?  How long would a virus which didn’t have these properties take to acquire said properties, in passages through bats in nature?

Please feel free to add into your probability assessment the fact that Fauci sent money to the WIV to do gain of function research on this very type of virus.  Just one year ago.

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

And add also the US State Department assessment of this lab’s problematic safety record.

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/northamerica/northamerica-top-stories/state-department-cables-warned-of-safety-issues-at-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/ar-BB12EKg9

Really appreciate that you came back to help us out on this.

  • Thu, Sep 17, 2020 - 12:34pm

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I thought she lost cred when she called China “evil”. Hey, I agree, but it made me skeptical.

I think it quite likely the US or Israel or a proxy made the virus and dumped it in China. Ron Unz, who has the best track record on these things I know of, holds this position as the most likely. But the motive is weak here so I lean more to her view. I’m still waiting more info…

  • Thu, Sep 17, 2020 - 12:59pm

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    coverup

The CCP staged a coverup at the Wuhan Lab.  A researcher who worked there was wiped from the lab’s website – but traces of her employment at the lab remain.  “Internet is forever.”

When asked about the employee on the phone, the lab said they didn’t know who she was.  When the questioner pointed out that records of her employment existed on the Internet, the lab said, something like “oh HER.  She moved.  Living in a different province.  All is well.  Certainly not dead or anything.”

[I’m paraphrasing]

“Its not the crime that gets you, its the coverup.”

If the Israelis planted the thing, why on earth would the WIV stage a coverup?  It makes no sense.

Sometimes a smoking gun really is just a smoking gun, and not someone else’s complicated false flag.  Just my sense.

  • Thu, Sep 17, 2020 - 01:43pm

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    Li-Meng Yan ‘deliberate release’ clarification; Scenario 3

I saw Dr. Li Meng-yan’s interview on Tucker Carlson and I am absolutely positive that when he asked her if this was an intentional release, she misunderstood the question as “was this virus intentionally created” or “did they do this on purpose”. That does not translate the same into Mandarin. This is quite telling in her response. Listen to her response and it should be quite obvious that she is responding to a question of whether the CCP created the virus intentionally. I speak Chinese and have listened to all of her interviews and appearances in Mandarin and she has never once even suggested that the release of this virus was intentional. Unlike in English, she express her points with detail and clarity with Chinese and make her various proofs evident.

I thought this too, excellent point. Even if she believes it was deliberately released, that would not have been the way to go about revealing it.

That’s awesome, thanks for the clarification on the “intentional release” comment. It makes her just that much more credible to me. The intentional release thing just didn’t seem likely at all. But intentionally created? That made 100% sense.

I think it quite likely the US or Israel or a proxy made the virus and dumped it in China. Ron Unz, who has the best track record on these things I know of, holds this position as the most likely. But the motive is weak here so I lean more to her view. I’m still waiting more info…

Check out Plandemic 2: Indoctornation (remove the word ‘censored’ in the url), as it lays out the 3rd scenario (the deliberate release scenario), providing the means, motives and circumstancial evidence. It would have been designed such that Chinese AND US/other could look responsible in the eyes of the other.

All 3 scenarios (zoonosis, accidental release, deliberate release) are on the table. I was leaning heavily towards scenario 2, but the more I research the more I’m unable to discard scenario 3.

  • Thu, Sep 17, 2020 - 01:52pm

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Nice job, Davefairtex.
I couldn’t agree more.

One reason I lean towards accidental release is the lack of a pre-existing
vaccine. It would seem to me you’d want that on hand before unleashing
the virus on the world.

Coupled with the documented sloppiness going on there.

Accidental or natural evolution from Bat viruses?
That sounds suspicious to me.
How did the Furin cleavage sites get there, all in just the
right places ?  That pegs my BS meter to full-scale.

I’m not a virologist, so it would be mighty nice if Dr Yan’s paper
can be reviewed by people who are.

  • Thu, Sep 17, 2020 - 02:26pm

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One reason I lean towards accidental release is the lack of a pre-existing vaccine. It would seem to me you’d want that on hand before unleashing the virus on the world.

That could be just for show. It normally takes what, 10 years, to produce a vaccine? It’s been only about half a year so far, and they were talking about 18 months. There would also be a lot of pharma companies that were not in on the deal (the vast majority of them I’d think), who are independetly developing a vaccine only to likely be beaten to market by a few weeks if necessary (if they indeed have a vaccine ready awaiting the right moment for release).

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