Li-Meng Yan @ Loose Women

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  • Tue, Sep 15, 2020 - 09:23pm

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    Li-Meng Yan @ Loose Women

The current leaders were part of the same cadres that killed 35-45 million of their own during the cultural revolution and the great leap forward, so the thought of sacrificing a few million would be in character, to gain advantage in the world. Well documented in the book ‘Tombstone’ by Yang Jisheng; a long, but excellent read.

  • Tue, Sep 15, 2020 - 11:29pm

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    a bad coverup = no deliberate release

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The current leaders were part of the same cadres that killed 35-45 million of their own during the cultural revolution and the great leap forward, so the thought of sacrificing a few million would be in character, to gain advantage in the world.

I totally agree with that – I don’t think they would have any moral qualms about deliberately releasing the virus, as long as they could keep their part in it quiet.  But I don’t think they would willingly sign up for all the economic damage – lockdowns are extremely damaging to the economy, and that would directly impact the wealth of everyone in power.

And that directly impacts the chance of the top leadership staying in power.  There is nothing worse for The Leader than to damage the wealth of his Keys to Power.  If The Leader makes his Keys to Power poorer, he won’t last long at all.

I also think if it were a planned release, it would have been handled more professionally.  Stories would already be in place, there would have been dead bats (or a dead bat, bitten by a now-dead pangolin, or whatever) sold by some vendor in the wet market, and so on.  There would have been a whole lot of fake evidence that would have supported their claim.  As it stands, they zapped the market in a New York Minute – it was a stone cold coverup which looked and felt and smelled – like a coverup.

And the rest of the coverup – it felt very invented-on-the-fly by people who really didn’t know what they were doing, but were working under huge time pressure.  And they made mistakes, as people do in real time when under pressure.  Wiping that lab worker’s history from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (when other records of her remained) – a US youtuber was able to uncover this whole thing because he could read Chinese.  Just sloppy.

Now its possible that this was a virus that was going to be released later, deliberately, but it got out by accident before the work on it was completed.  I could certainly believe that.

The virus was clearly engineered.  I just don’t think it was deliberately released.  The coverup was just too poorly done.

I mean, just my opinion and all.

  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 03:05am

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    Deliberate Release

Dave……You said “The virus was clearly engineered.  I just don’t think it was deliberately released.  The coverup was just too poorly done.”

So maybe it was accidentally released from the lab, but once released it was deliberately sent around the world.  Remember how travel inside China was restricted while Chinese travel to other countries was allowed.

In that scenario the virus was used as a weapon.

  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 03:31am

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    Li-Meng Yan @ Loose Women

My tendency is to never attribute human malfeasance to an incident that can easily be explained by human stupidity? or something like that.

  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 04:09am

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    yes I agree

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Yeah I think that’s right.  Accidentally released, but then pushed out to the rest of the world because – who wants to be at a disadvantage in the global game just because they shot themselves in the foot?  Not the CCP.

So they had to run around and shoot everyone else in the foot, just to make sure “the playing field was level.”

  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 07:20am

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    Allegro ma non troppo

The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity

I downloaded a copy of the above, written by Carlo Cipolla, a while ago.  It’s something I go back and read for fun occasionally.  Briefly:

First Basic Law: Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation

Second Basic Law: The probability that a certain person be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person

Third Basic Law: A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses

Fourth Basic Law: Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places and under any circumstances to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake

Fifth Basic Law: A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person

more detailed reading here

  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 08:17am

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    Hanlon’s Razor

“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 08:22am

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    Thank you Carsoner and Jerry for the links to Dr. Yan’s articles

Thanks folks for the links.  Whether the release was accidental or intentional it appears the truth of the Covid-19 origin is starting to come out.  The list of references also contains much related additional information. Will be curious to read what Dr. Mayer thinks of these articles, and the response by Chris.

  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 08:48am

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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

That might be generally true, but relying on exclusively it will cause you to miss malice from time to time.  And why wouldn’t a malicious person carry out a malicious act in a way that caused it to appear to be a stupid act instead – use Hanlon’s razor as the perfect cover.

  • Wed, Sep 16, 2020 - 11:35am

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1. First layer of cover-up, (never expected to fully work?), outright denial, distraction and misinformation, the seafood market etc.;

2. second layer of cover, accidental release from the virology lab with deniability of intent.

3. Actual intent was engineering the virus, and release to match with the demographic urgency for China to become dominant NOW, and dovetail into the presidential election and mayhem it would cause in the US (designated competition). Not factored in, is the nimbleness of the ‘unplanned’ economy and mobilization of resources and possible vaccine before election time (hence the effort to undermine and delay the vaccine development and response)

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