Less talk, more action: what to do now to prepare, THE COMPLETE MANUAL

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  • Tue, Jun 01, 2010 - 02:24pm

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 Had the kids and grandkids  out …. We got the calves worked this weekend and picked the best tasting strawberries on the planet .  Someone gave us a bunch of rabbits that they did not want to butcher ,and I traded a few peach trees for some cherry .    Made Rhubarb jelly and then went fishing .

  In my book this was was all the action I could handle . 

if this does not open your eyes I do not know what will …http://animalhusbandry.suite101.com/article.cfm/american-family-farmers-feeds-155-people-each-2-americans-farm.

   If we are practicing what we preach we will not be using oil to run to the store or restaurant every few days, for food that has traveled around the world to get there . . .

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  • Thu, Jun 03, 2010 - 12:52pm

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FM What kind of rabbits do you buy to raise for butchering? 

And do you eat them now or is it your plan to only eat rabbits if you need to Smile

I just can’t imagine… but again I do not have a freezer full of meat nor do I own a cow. 

But I do have one very hungry 14 year old boy to feed.

  • Thu, Jun 03, 2010 - 02:55pm

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Romans,

From what I gather in regards to which rabbits, the New Zealand (white fur, red eyes, albino type) and the Californian are the best meat rabbits. This is because they are the most efficient at converting feed to meat. There are some giant breeds of rabbits but they consume more feed per pound of meat produced. I’m getting ready to butcher any day now. Shoulda been done two or three weeks ago, at around three months of age, but a recent upsurge in business (yippeee!) has delayed this. I only have the rabbits for a SHTF event, but I wanted to do a practice run of breeding and butchering beforehand so as to work out the bugs.

As far as having  “a freezer full of meat”, I think it’s better to have live critters and a stockpile of feed than frozen meat. Live meat doesn’t need electricity to keep fresh. I refer to my critters as “meals-on-wheels”. Also, I decided to go with goats rather than a cows. Smaller animals are easier to keep, reproduce faster and in smaller units, and goat milk is at least as good, if not better, than cow’s milk. Also, goat meat from what I hear ( I’ll be trying it here shortly) is also delicious.

My two cents FWIW.

  • Thu, Jun 03, 2010 - 03:26pm

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 Romans , Earthwise is right about the Rabbit breed as well as being the best animal to produce ( they do not make noise … you can get away with raising them in the city ) .   Especially in a Total shit hit the fan situation . Butcher and eat .   But only do it in the months that have an R in them OR keep them wormed . We like them baked with mushroom soup ,made into bbq or in Rabbit salad sandwiches .

 Wish I liked goats milk as well as cows milk .  Goat meat is as good as Deer not as good as ELK and way better than sheep . Maybe this is just a matter of individual taste buds . 

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  • Fri, Dec 16, 2011 - 08:54am

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     Some of you are way too

 Some of you are way too extreme for me, eatting Rabbits????

 My rough plan –

 Relocate: Germany and other countries have their act together (Social Safety Net and Increased Renewable Energy Consumption) and seeing as future economic decisions will come out of Frankfurt and Brussels, I think its safe to assume that they want a stable currency to keep demand for their (Germany) high (92%) export business including many high tech finished goods.

 Once on the ground: Equip my home (along with my German GF who is currently in school for a Mech Engineering) with high quality electronics, appliances and gadgets, all run by Solar Power, Grid Tie but with Battery Back (Backup #1) and Natural Gas Generator (Backup #2). Not going to go too extreme on the food front, likely just some veggies, fruit (Aquaponics) and chickens for eggs only. Since beef/chicken is the most expensive currently and likely in the future, that’s where the food budget will go. 

 Germany already offers top ranked public transportation, you go ahead and go rural if you want. We’ll have cars, how much they are used is unknown, it is likely we’ll use bikes and trains to go to work.

 I know much of this site goes Nationalist which bothers me in the sense that I was born here and should be considered as American as any other American, but because of my skin color in a crashed economy I know what would happen as people look to point fingers and blame others for their reduced quality of life.

 My solution is to ride it out elsewhere, because racism and embracement of gun culture are a bad combination in bad economic times.

 

 

  • Fri, Dec 16, 2011 - 11:36am

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    der Vaterland? nein!

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 Some of you are way too extreme for me, eatting Rabbits????

 My rough plan –

 Relocate: Germany and other countries have their act together (Social Safety Net and Increased Renewable Energy Consumption) and seeing as future economic decisions will come out of Frankfurt and Brussels, I think its safe to assume that they want a stable currency to keep demand for their (Germany) high (92%) export business including many high tech finished goods.

 Once on the ground: Equip my home (along with my German GF who is currently in school for a Mech Engineering) with high quality electronics, appliances and gadgets, all run by Solar Power, Grid Tie but with Battery Back (Backup #1) and Natural Gas Generator (Backup #2). Not going to go too extreme on the food front, likely just some veggies, fruit (Aquaponics) and chickens for eggs only. Since beef/chicken is the most expensive currently and likely in the future, that’s where the food budget will go. 

 Germany already offers top ranked public transportation, you go ahead and go rural if you want. We’ll have cars, how much they are used is unknown, it is likely we’ll use bikes and trains to go to work.

 I know much of this site goes Nationalist which bothers me in the sense that I was born here and should be considered as American as any other American, but because of my skin color in a crashed economy I know what would happen as people look to point fingers and blame others for their reduced quality of life.

 My solution is to ride it out elsewhere, because racism and embracement of gun culture are a bad combination in bad economic times.

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djfourmoney,

I think you may want to reconsider your choice.  As far as solar, Germany has a lot of cloud cover at the time of year when you’ll need your power most.  As far as natural gas, your friendly local natural gas supplier (i.e. Russia) has a recurrent proclivity towards shutting off supplies just when they’re needed most.  Also, Germany has rules and regulations for just about anything.  Given its track record, it’s one of the last places I’d count on for personal liberty when TSHTF.  And that social safety net will wither and die under fiscal duress.  Also, with regards to racism, do you really think it has all died out in Germany?  And if you study history, you’ll know that citizen ownership of firearms is one of the factors that preserves liberty.

My sense is, you have it backwards.

P.S.  Nothing wrong with rabbit.  Guess you never heard of Hasenpfeffer?;-)

  

  • Fri, Dec 16, 2011 - 11:43am

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Romans,

From what I gather in regards to which rabbits, the New Zealand (white fur, red eyes, albino type) and the Californian are the best meat rabbits. This is because they are the most efficient at converting feed to meat. There are some giant breeds of rabbits but they consume more feed per pound of meat produced. I’m getting ready to butcher any day now. Shoulda been done two or three weeks ago, at around three months of age, but a recent upsurge in business (yippeee!) has delayed this. I only have the rabbits for a SHTF event, but I wanted to do a practice run of breeding and butchering beforehand so as to work out the bugs.

As far as having  "a freezer full of meat", I think it’s better to have live critters and a stockpile of feed than frozen meat. Live meat doesn’t need electricity to keep fresh. I refer to my critters as "meals-on-wheels". Also, I decided to go with goats rather than a cows. Smaller animals are easier to keep, reproduce faster and in smaller units, and goat milk is at least as good, if not better, than cow’s milk. Also, goat meat from what I hear ( I’ll be trying it here shortly) is also delicious.

My two cents FWIW.

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earthwise,

Good suggestions and kudos to you for the practice run!

Goat’s milk is definitely much healthier than cow’s milk.  After our kids were weaned, that’s what they were given.  They had none of the allergies, sensitivities, colds, flus, etc. their friends had growing up.  Better amino acid profile than moo milk.  Makes great yogurt as well.  And goat meat is tasty in my book, depending upon what the goats are eating.  

  • Fri, Dec 16, 2011 - 12:23pm

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    Nothing wrong with rabbit…

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P.S.  Nothing wrong with rabbit.  Guess you never heard of Hasenpfeffer?;-) [/quote]

hee, hee, hee, hee…"Cook!  Where’s my Hasenpfeffer?!!!"

  • Fri, Dec 16, 2011 - 11:15pm

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     ao wrote: earthwise

 

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[quote=earthwise]

Romans,

From what I gather in regards to which rabbits, the New Zealand (white fur, red eyes, albino type) and the Californian are the best meat rabbits. This is because they are the most efficient at converting feed to meat. There are some giant breeds of rabbits but they consume more feed per pound of meat produced. I’m getting ready to butcher any day now. Shoulda been done two or three weeks ago, at around three months of age, but a recent upsurge in business (yippeee!) has delayed this. I only have the rabbits for a SHTF event, but I wanted to do a practice run of breeding and butchering beforehand so as to work out the bugs.

As far as having  "a freezer full of meat", I think it’s better to have live critters and a stockpile of feed than frozen meat. Live meat doesn’t need electricity to keep fresh. I refer to my critters as "meals-on-wheels". Also, I decided to go with goats rather than a cows. Smaller animals are easier to keep, reproduce faster and in smaller units, and goat milk is at least as good, if not better, than cow’s milk. Also, goat meat from what I hear ( I’ll be trying it here shortly) is also delicious.

My two cents FWIW.

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earthwise,

Good suggestions and kudos to you for the practice run!

Goat’s milk is definitely much healthier than cow’s milk.  After our kids were weaned, that’s what they were given.  They had none of the allergies, sensitivities, colds, flus, etc. their friends had growing up.  Better amino acid profile than moo milk.  Makes great yogurt as well.  And goat meat is tasty in my book, depending upon what the goats are eating.  

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ao,

Thanks for the kudos. As an update, the rabbit project is working out great. We have a rabbit dinner once or twice a month; they’r really good. I usually breed every two months or so and subsequently butcher along the same time line. I just had a litter born last night.

Over the summer the farm critters were doin’ real good : goats  were producing so much milk our family with three young boys couldn’t drink it all so my wife started making cheese and we were still giving it away by the gallon. The chickens were laying so many eggs we were making omelettes for dinner sometimes. We had a freezer full of home grown pork, and lamb as well.  I felt kinda proud, maybe even cocky.

But farming is a humbling endeavor. Since the goats were all bred and kidded at the same time, they all dried up at the same time too. Doh! Then, the chickens got stingy with the eggs ’cause of the change of seasons and we’ve eaten all of our meat so the freezers empty with the new batch of hogs and lambs a little too young for butchering.

After experiencing the joy of going over a year and a half without buying eggs, milk and cheese and very little meat (beef), it’s got me irritated to have to humble myself and watch my wife actually buy these staples at the market. Plus, the market stuff is not nearly as tasty as the homegrown.

As far as prepping goes, I still think rabbits are the way to go for meat. A buck and two or three does and a stockpile of rabbit pellets and you can have a reliable food source for a long time. That combined with chickens and you’ll be light years ahead of the horde if the SHTF. Anybody with even a small space can do that with a minimal expense. After that I’d say the goats are the next best thing, but they take more space and effort. I love my goats, they’re really sweet and the milk is excellent!  I have now had goat meat and it’s really good, too. Birria tacos with homemade salsa. Wow!

 

  • Fri, Dec 16, 2011 - 11:55pm

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    What Should I Do Series

Looks like in response to this and other threads, we got the "What Should I Do?" series.

Would love to see information on raising rabbits and raising goats.

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