(Lack of) Presidential Leadership in the USA

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  • Mon, Jun 29, 2020 - 11:23am

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    Jim H

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    The mugging of Tulsi Gabbard

As Tulsi Gabbard was rising in the polls during the early days of the democratic primary positioning, one can observe that she was targeted for destruction by Hillary and the DNC.  In a truly bizarre turn of events, Hillary called her a Russian asset;

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard/index.html

I would point to this incident as evidence of the existence of a Deep State, and the fact that it is largely, though by no means entirely, in control of the DNC machinery.  Whether you liked Tulsi’s positions or not, the fact was very clear that she was her own candidate, not captured, and certainly not corruptible.  She was and is a patriot who loves her country.

Those who cannot or do not understand what the deep state is, and what it is capable of, are welcome to make their attempts at moderating me.  We now have over 400 posts in our, “hydroxychloroquine vs the deep state” thread, documenting, in real time, what the WW Globalist regime has done in suppressing the truth regarding the safety and efficacy of this medication in the face of Covid-19.  The Deep State is real, and it wants to take away the Freedoms we hold dear in the US.

Patriots will prevail.

  • Mon, Jun 29, 2020 - 12:38pm

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    David Henry

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    (Lack of) Presidential Leadership in the USA

I appreciate your thoughts, especially about the complexity of how you can appreciate people or leaders and still disagree (politely) with them. PP is one of the few places I can still have this kind of open, civil discussion, which is less possible in my workplace. (Which is unfortunate, because I’m a university professor.)

I was heartened that VP Pence was wearing a mask, at least part of the time, and that he said some words in favor of mask wearing. As for the choir, that’s dangerous stuff. The church I attend (Lutheran) has been doing zoom services, but now we’re meeting in the parking lot outside, well separated. (maybe 12 feet?) It’s been interesting trying different things for services, actually kind of fun and outside the norm.

As for how to reform the police, Jocko Willink on the Joe Rogan podcast talked about the extreme paucity of training for police, especially compared to the military. For a 6 month deployment, the Army might train soldiers for 6 months or even longer.  Most police train, but on their own time and their own dime. Considering the volatility of the situations we send LEO’s to deal with, it would be expensive but if we really want to radically decrease police initiated violence (which we should), then we should probably have them training 5% or 10% of their paid time. (sorry for run on sentence!)

  • Mon, Jun 29, 2020 - 01:05pm

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    The full weight of the Deep State is against Donald Trump

The Deep State captures various individuals in government through various means of compromise, then uses them for it’s nefarious ends.  Whether it is telling lies and suppressing HCQ (Dr. Bright) or spinning false stories about the collapse of Building 7 on 9/11 in the 2008 NIST report  (Shyam Sunder, Deputy Dir. NIST) the Deep State swamp goes much deeper and wider than most people can fathom.

A group of truth seeking Architects and Engineers are getting close to having these lies recognized.  They have now petitioned NIST to correct the record, using the full weight of the newly completed University of Alaska study of WTC building 7 as evidence.  9/11 didn’t happen the way we were told, and the new WTC 7 modelling is the tip of the spear for truth seekers;

    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/695-nist-issues-update-on-pending-request-for-correction-to-building-7-report

The request is based in part on a report issued in March 2020 by researchers at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, who concluded definitively that the destruction of the 47-story Building 7 was not caused by fires. Their extensive, four-year computer modeling effort, funded by AE911Truth, was followed by a robust peer review process, which included dozens of comments from the public as well as review by two external, independent experts.

“We are proud to have supported the University of Alaska Fairbanks and Professor Leroy Hulsey in conducting a genuinely scientific study into the reasons for this building’s collapse,” said Richard Gage, AIA, founder  of AE911Truth. “Now that the study is complete, the request for correction will force NIST to reverse its outlandish conclusion that fires were the cause of the collapse.”

We live in a world where the very architects and engineers who design our buildings are called conspiracy theorists for suggesting that modern steel framed skyscrapers actually cannot fall down due to fires.  Indeed, the opposite is true – it took a conspiracy to create the existing 9/11 narrative.

The hydroxychloroquine BIG LIE has killed many more people than died in 9/11 by denying them effective medication.  Once you wake up to the ways of the Deep State, you can see the BIG LIES in real time.

  • Mon, Jun 29, 2020 - 01:59pm

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    TWalker5

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Joe V.,

I empathize with your conflict.  it sounds like you and I have similar value systems. I voted for Trump in 2016 and probably will again. This is despite the fact that I see him as a narcissistic asshole. It’s the whole lesser of two evils thing. I agree with you that Biden in no longer fit to be President and what could happen if he wins truly scares me.  That said, Trump does make plenty of blunders that leave me shaking my head, and you couldn’t have paid me to go to that Tulsa rally. I just think that many here are sensitive to hypocrisy and a post about the Tulsa rally without acknowledging the potential transmissions that occurred during the riots and protest smelled of it.

Jim H.,

Tulsi is one of the few Dems I could support.  It’s a shame how they cut her off at the knees before the starting gun even fired.  Like you mentioned, just more evidence of powerful string pullers behind the curtain. I hope Tulsi doesn’t just go quietly into the night. We need more strong voices railing against the military-industrial complex.

T.

  • Mon, Jun 29, 2020 - 04:36pm

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    singing & covid

Joe-

I do agree that shouting, yelling, and screaming (and coughing, and sneezing) is a great way to transmit the virus.  That’s what science tell us.  It would be super awesome (and more balanced) if you could be properly horrified about all the occasions where that happens.

I note: protesters do a lot of yelling – that’s an integral part of what they do.  So do the folks who tear down statues.  They yell too.  People in church do a lot of singing.  So do people at karaoke bars.  And shouting – there is a lot of shouting at bars, so you get heard over that loud music.

It’s all pretty much the same.  Right?  All of it.  Not just the singing at church. Right?

I’m kinda wondering why you aren’t equally horrified by all those protesters and the yelling they do.

  • Tue, Jun 30, 2020 - 10:27am

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@DerHundIstLos
I rely on the US Food and Drug Administration for determining drug safety and efficacy.

You seem very lost/clueless… but welcome to the beginning of a major awakening. I dare you to check this out:

Agreed on criticizing Trump for lack of clear leadership regarding face masks and other aspects. But obviously the MSM/DNC/DS are 1000x worse in every possible sense.

Talking about ‘nonpartisanship’ has become very silly, as it’s clearly not about left/right, liberal/conservative, Dem/Rep… it is (or SHOULD be if you haven’t realized this yet) entirely about evil/good, insane/sane, mind-controlled/independent-thinking, collectivized-hiveminded/individuality-retaining, DNM-dominance/PFC-dominance… As a voluntaryist I recognize how left/right are both sides of the same statist coin. It used to be that the ‘lesser of two evils’ was a game of divide & conquer not worth engaging in; now the lesser of the two evils has become absurdly evil and dangerous to all good people, as neomarxist victimhood-mindset-generating trauma-based mind-control programs go into overdrive and Soros-deployed meth-fueled destabilization forces attempt a violent communist coup.

Moderating PP for political reasons would be terrible and absurd. You cannot really separate politics from anything else when everything has been politicized by globalist control/enslavement agendas. Especially when the active CENSORSHIP issue remains in place on this very forum, unaddressed!

 

  • Tue, Jun 30, 2020 - 10:37am

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edit: no time to correct typos, sorry

Twalker5 and Jim H, you guys get it. Thank for your candor.

Twalker5 you cloned my mind when you said this:

I empathize with your conflict. it sounds like you and I have similar value systems. I voted for Trump in 2016 and probably will again. This is despite the fact that I see him as a narcissistic asshole. It’s the whole lesser of two evils thing.

And I do understand your point then about the riots. I wasn’t trying to dismiss them, and since they are also a current event, I do see your point that they are indeed similar problematic situations that should be mentioned together. I wasn’t specifically trying denigrate choirs/churches or conservative rallies – indeed bars are likely the main source of spread in most areas. I should mention that bars have been my main concern since the end of the lockdown in my area.

In my area, as soon as the lockdown ended, the county gonvernment put in only ONE rule for bars: 10 people per table maximum (I wish I was joking).

Every weekend the bars and restaurants near me have been filled to the brim, and I have been asking my governor in mail and twitter to implement some form of mask requirement – since no one is using them in those places.

Starting July 3rd we will have masks mandatory in KS. I started asking the governor to mandate masks on April 4th – and I sent her evidence for using masks, evidence people weren’t wearing them., etc.

I consider someone not wearing a mask around me during a pandemic a violation of my right to life and happiness – as every breath from a person could be asymptomatic spread. But apparently most other conservatives think the right to look-cool is more imporant that the everyone elses right to life – IMO.

I compare anger about masks as anger to the requirement that you have to wear pants in public. One’s right to wear what one wants, doesn’t give someone the right to have their genitals flapping around in the faces of people and children because “I have the right to wear only what I think I have to wear”.

I think ones right to look-cool is not protected if it risks peoples lives not to do so – if asked, you have have to a wear a mask during a pandemic so you don’t end up making people sick and dead and violating their right to life; Likewise, you wear pants so you don’t visually assault children and adults and violate their rights. Both such restrictions on garments take away your right dress how you want, but both protect the rights of others whom your choice of garments is violating their constitutional protected rights – specifically so with masks during a pandemic. There constitutional right guaranteeing you the right to look cool – which I would guess not wearing a mask could be freedom of speech/expression – is only allowed if doesn’t violate other peoples’ rights… Everyone else’s rights to LIFE are more fundamental than clothing-choices, and the right-to-life is explicitly listed in the bill of rights.

What do you guys think about this right-to-life versus right-to-look-cool argument?

  • Tue, Jun 30, 2020 - 11:08am

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    M95 disposable respirator

Again a reminder.   Wearing a bandana “so-called mask” is questionable as to whether it provides adequate protection.  An N95 respirator when worn properly (with respirator seal in direct contact with skin without facial hair) will provide substantial protection against COVID-19 in airborne vapors, but may not protect against individual airborne viruses for example in community air conditioning units.  However, we can hope individual viruses will be damaged in open dry air.  P100 rated respirators are even more effective.

Yet again another example of government agencies committing harm against the American people in this case using public announcements and influence to persuade people that bandanas and make shift face coverings will keep them safe.

  • Tue, Jun 30, 2020 - 11:31am

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    bars et al

Joe-

Ok.  Getting the outside world around you to change is a pretty hard thing to do.  One might even say it’s impossible.  Certainly it takes a huge emotional toll.

I humbly suggest that, instead of trying to change everyone else, you find a way to personally adapt your own behavior to minimize your risk.  It’s less stressful, and – it is more likely to work.  And, its only temporary.

See, all those people at the bars (etc) will end up getting sick, most will eventually get over it, they’ll have immunity (at least for a time), and then the pandemic in your area will mostly be over.  And then it will be reasonably safe for you to walk around.

All you need to do is wait them out.  Say, four weeks, tops.

When you look in the bars, think to yourself: “they are working on herd immunity for all of us.”  And thank them, silently, for their service.  Who knows, maybe they are tired of being in their rooms, living every day in fear?

The level of concern I would have at the bars would depend entirely on the case counts in the city.  Cases per 100k is what?

  • Thu, Jul 02, 2020 - 10:16am

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@JoeVickers
What do you guys think about this right-to-life versus right-to-look-cool argument?

I had never even heard of the “right-to-look-cool” argument. I had heard of the “facemask makes a leader look weak” argument, which seems extra silly when everyone is wearing them. I think it’s about the perception that tyrants want to force everyone to wear masks, taking away our individual right to assess risks, and granting them increased ability to lock us down again on a whim (and they are obviously willing to use manipulated/fake statistics and data). That sense of liberty you have in America is sorely lacking in most countries, so it’s something I suggest you find appreciation for!

Also, you believe asymptomatic spreaders are everywhere, but more and more it’s looking like asymptomatic spreaders are rare, as first the WHO and now even the NYT has admitted that it’s only the rare pre-symptomatic superspreaders (which I’m pretty sure are people with severe vitamin D deficiency) who do, it seems at least now in many places after a first wave.

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