Ivermectin…. are you not the God I thought you were?

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  • Thu, Mar 25, 2021 - 08:11pm

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    Ivermectin…. are you not the God I thought you were?

I am disappointed in most Docs.  They have given me wrong advice and misdiagnosed conditions.

Most I know, even as friends, tend to be arrogant, lazy, self protective, narrow in thinking, and un- couragous.  Mostly just paint-by-numbers white coats.

Sorry about that.  But that is my experience.  And in my immediate family there are three MD’s.  My opinion holds for them as well.

  • Thu, Mar 25, 2021 - 08:13pm

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    Ivermectin…. are you not the God I thought you were?

Ironpuppy – some people have posted the FLCCC info which is a great source.  Dr Kory also mentions that many doctors just don’t have the time to review all of those studies, so they are in a bit of a “bubble” with other doctors who get their info quickly and summaries from medical bodies.

If you were a doctor under the pump, and a patient asked for IVM what would you do?  Look up IVM on your medical bodies webpage and see that IVM is not recommended and leave it at that.  There is a level of trust in the medical bodies that is showing to be misplaced, however many won’t have figured that out yet.

Trust you lying eyes….

  • Thu, Mar 25, 2021 - 08:27pm

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    Bill in La Mesa

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    Ivermectin…. are you not the God I thought you were?

TrialSite News did a brilliant take-down of the “recent” Cali Colombia trial JAMA & the other outpatient therapeutic nihilists jumped on due to lack of evidence for benefit.





Average age of trial participants 37, & patients were up to a week symptomatic before starting on the IVM.  The original end-point of progression to advanced disease was changed on the fly when almost no one developed advanced disease, to number of days to symptom resolution.  Patients self administered the drug and self reported what day they stopped feeling icky.

IVM was widely available, and control group oddly reported side effects similar to the IVM group.  So much of this study simply didn’t pass the sniff test, yet JAMA, CNN & the New York Times had a field day.

If this was our only look at IVM, one could understand a “more study is needed” conclusion, but we do have meta-analysis to compare.

https://ivmmeta.com/

Personally, I’d gladly wash the feet of this God(sent) med, & those who discovered the therapeutic value.

  • Thu, Mar 25, 2021 - 08:36pm   (Reply to #7)

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    Not everything works for everyone

And doctors don’t know your entire medical history the way you do.  You have one patient and doctors have hundreds.  Think of doctors as people who order tests and prescribe pills.  Good, bad or indifferent it is up to you to make informed decisions on what is best for you.  There was a time when the guy in the white coat had a bookshelf full of books with the information needed to make that informed decision.  That info is now on the internet.

So, risk vs. reward.  Ivermectin has pretty low risks.  That data is on drugs.com.  Does it work?  Perhaps and the risk is low.  Same is true for vitamin D, melatonin and other supplements.  If you had a headache would you take a Tylenol to see if it would work or would you wait to see what kind of headache you had and then check the studies to see if Tylenol worked for those headaches?

As for vaccines, I wouldn’t debate that with a doctor.  Simply say, “I’m still weighing my options.”  If you want to ask anything you can ask, “which vaccines do you think will still be FDA approved once the emergency declaration has ended?”

I agree, at the moment it is really hard to figure out who is giving us the truth.

Kathy

  • Thu, Mar 25, 2021 - 09:31pm

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    Bill in La Mesa

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    Ivermectin…. are you not the God I thought you were?

Yes, we’d all love a singular silver bullet, but until this arrives, the best medicine will involve a combination of factors.

High blood pressure & heart disease are two of the major comorbidities with COVID, & both ACE inhibitors and ARB blood pressure meds, as well as diuretics often prescribed are known to deplete zinc.

Clinical trials test only one thing at a time, so with a hydroxychloroquine trial, you wouldn’t throw zinc into the mix, as you wouldn’t know whether it was the HCQ or the zinc that affected the results.  Problem is, if these things work together, you’re never going to get a helpful result testing them alone.

Those testing ivermectin, wouldn’t even look at vitamin-D or zinc deficiencies in the trial participants, though a combination therapy might produce the most dramatic results.

It takes more than flour to bake a cake, so please don’t forget the eggs, milk & sugar!  Same with your COVID protocol.  It actually ain’t rocket science.

  • Thu, Mar 25, 2021 - 10:15pm   (Reply to #13)

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    Regarding the take down of the Cali Columbia trial

Bill in La Mesa said:

“So much of this study simply didn’t pass the sniff test, yet JAMA, CNN & the New York Times had a field day.”

In another post I mentioned how we are really behind enemy lines.  This is a perfect example of what I was talking about.

We ought to no longer expect anything better from the “anti” side.  And we need to live accordingly.

  • Thu, Mar 25, 2021 - 10:26pm

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    Our medical industry sucks for the most part…

…because it’s an industry.

 

I recently needed to get a CT/angio done (all good BTW) and the NP who saw me to schedule it was not very reassuring in her capacity as a medical care provider, because she really isn’t. She is merely the gatekeeper to the procedures and drugs the hospital wants her prescribe to me so I can purchase them from that same hospital.

And she wasn’t even good at asking me about my condition.  The computer made her perform her due diligence.

It’s all a plug and chug software interface for them nowadays.  She literally had to come back in and run a simple neuro diagnostic (fingertips to nose, etc.) because the “system” wouldn’t let her get to the next page on the schedule and diagnosis program.

She missed checking to see if I had a brain issue. Because she doesn’t need to think anymore.

They have an app for that.

bear with me here:

I live outside Madison, WI and Epic systems is located 15 miles from my home.

For those who don’t know, Epic systems is the largest medical software company in the US. 50%+ of the US has their medical records wrapped up in Epic databases and software. 2%+ globally.  About 200 Million peoples’ records.

Alongside or imbedded in this software (not 100% certain of the architecture), is a “choose your own adventure” style of diagnostics.  The plug and chug software I spoke about before.

The entire system is a set of digital speedbumps on what you record as medical data, what you can diagnose and how to diagnose, and finally, what you can prescribe.

here’s a comparative anecdote:

My podiatrist is pretty adept at this software and I saw last year how he knew what buttons to push to get his medical way with it, but even he explained there were digital shackles preventing him from practicing medicine to the best of his intellect and knowledge. He had limits on what he could prescribe, and not just pain meds.

Why? All because some bureaucrat got a technocrat to get an IT specialist to define the exact terms of care that are available to their medical providers and set hard limits on the tool that allows them to work.

So the ability for a doctor to operate in the corporate medical profession is truly limited by what they can type into their medical software and what the next page allows them to do.

And it’s happening at all 3 of the major provider networks I have used in Wisconsin.

The technology is now driving the industry, and these corporate doctors are becoming bound by the actions the software allows them to perform.

 

We keep talking about a dystopian technocracy forming or a 4th turning, it’s arrived full force in medicine.

 

On a lighter note, the boat pilot who ran the Ever Given aground in the Suez Canal left a really awesome course tracking before the boat crashed:

Yep, that’s a ship course track in the shape of a man’s genitals.

  • Thu, Mar 25, 2021 - 11:12pm

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    Ivermectin…. are you not the God I thought you were?

I was sorely aghast when, several years ago, in my PP’s exam room, for a minor checkup, I saw, prominently displayed, a coffee cup emblazened with the following:  “Please don’t confuse your internet search with my Medical Degree”.*  No confusion here…..Aloha, Steve

* I hereby proclaim today “Honor the Comma Day”…..although National Punctuation Day was 6 months ago….

ps- Emblazoned on my Grandpa’s shaving mug: “Live every day so you can look any Damn man in the face, and tell him to go to Hell”

  • Fri, Mar 26, 2021 - 12:31am

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    Punctuation Saves Lives

thatchmo wrote:

* I hereby proclaim today “Honor the Comma Day”

“Let’s eat grandma” has a totally different meaning than “Let’s eat, grandma.”

Grover

  • Fri, Mar 26, 2021 - 04:42am

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    Ivermectin…. are you not the God I thought you were?

I wouldnt struggle too hard  regarding a disease with a 99.7% recovery rate. The reality is, you probably dont need anything other than a multi-vitamin and a heartbeat.

For strictly academic purposes let’s logically dissect the two options mentioned;

Ivermectin – Has been used safely for a very long time, many studies show significant improvement. Some are now showing not much improvement. Bottomline; effectiveness unknown/safety established

Vaccination – Based on new, unproven science. Deaths have occurred and long term side effects are unknown [ manufacturers refuse to be held legally liable ]. Although the establishment assures us of its effectiveness, it hasnt been studied or used long enough to prove said effectiveness.

Bottomline; Effectiveness unknown/safety unknown

Again we’re talking about a disease with a .03% death rate [ assuming you get it at all ]. According to the CDC, your chances of dying in a car wreck are 1%. That means you are 30x more likely to die in a car wreck than to die from your covid infection.

My advice; Take a defensive driving course. Have your breaks and air bags checked, get good tires. Take a multi vitamin, go for a walk and stop worrying about lightening strikes, shark attacks, and covid19.

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