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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 11:52pm

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    Bill in La Mesa

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I haven’t abandoned IVM completely, and would certainly take it if I fell ill (along with HCQ & Zinc).  I’m just concerned with the IVM mania, a baby might have been thrown out with the bathwater.

IVM looked all but foolproof for around 6 months, but some cracks seem to be appearing in this diamond.  Forgot the study where IVM was 100% effective at prophylaxis taken once a month, but where have we gone from there?  Old FLCCC prophylaxis was every two weeks.  Suddenly we seem to be a twice per week, and infections still occurring.

Dr Kory reporting: “I have experienced and am getting reports from FLCCC Alliance members that Delta variant patients crashing into ICU’s… are not showing responses to MATH+. We are demoralized and frightened.”

I recall Dr Marik stating the problem with HCQ was, red blood cells have a very high affinity for HCQ, and tend to sop-up most of what is taken during the first couple of days, delaying therapeutic levels of serum & tissue concentrations till a bit late in the game as far as antiviral activity.  Immune modulation also requires adequate serum & tissue levels.

What I like about HCQ prophylaxis is that this should keep red cells pre-loaded with HCQ, for a more rapid response to therapy when  symptoms are first seen.  My humble opinion, but it seems to make sense to me.

HCQ + zinc for prophylaxis, adding IVM during symptomatic disease.  As IVM appears to be effective at all stages of COVID, pre-loading of IVM should not be particularly important, whereas with HCQ pre-loading may well increase effectiveness.

  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 12:26am

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    DanBC

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The goal behind attempted debunking of IVM, is to sow doubt, and force unjabbed into giving up and taking the jab. We should expect to keep seeing hit piece propaganda from the usual suspects, MSM and their accomplices and their internet trolls.

IVM clearly works, but is part of a supplement protocol that has been explained by the experts, Kory, Cole, Zelenko and presentation of various studies by Chris. Uttar Pradesh is just more sauce to support the protocol.

Put your doubts aside, IVM works. Why would the media and government run such a hate campaign against it with obvious distortions and outright lies? Why such a propaganda campaign about the jabs? Why such a fascist campaign against your own citizens?

A Dark Agenda, that’s why.

  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 12:51am

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    Bill in La Mesa

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Agree, IVM certainly has value as a therapeutic.  I still recall Dr Jackie Stone’s video of treating COVID in Zimbabwe.  She actually took before & after photos of the pulse oximeter Pleth (Plethysmograph) wave.  She said the nurses even noticed the improvement and would tell her when she arrived for morning rounds “this one is ready to go back to the floor” (be discharged from intensive care).

It is interesting though, the fraudulent studies with HCQ (Surgisphere) were directed at kneecapping the med, while the questionable studies with IVM seem to be trying to inflate its value.

Why not use both?  My beef is the prophylaxis fail with IVM, which appears to me to have more value as a therapeutic for acute disease.  I find the HCQ fail due to trouble reaching therapeutic levels due to red blood cell affinity intriguing.  Maintenance dosing would appear to circumvent the HCQ handicap.  Add zinc to the prophylaxis and you still may not prevent infection, but may inhibit rapid replication and give a head start on therapy of acute disease with IVM.

  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 01:27am   (Reply to #2)

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Here are links to the studies in various variations that I’m aware of. Would be interested in your take about them.
https://c19ivermectin.com/

  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 01:31am

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    Bill in La Mesa

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One other thing I found intriguing about IVM mania, was the deathly silence that surrounded it as it came to the forefront.  HCQ was being relentlessly pursued, & Chris was getting censored for even saying the word on his videos.  The “Drug Which Shall Not Be Named!”

IVM became affectionately known as DWSNBN-2, but there really wasn’t all that much censorship until recently.  Dr Been, Dr John, & Chris all spoke fairly freely about it for many months.

Did the powers that be actually enjoy the distraction from HCQ that IVM was providing?  They were forever claiming the Final Nail in the Coffin for HCQ, but it wasn’t until IVM mania took hold that the world really did cast HCQ into the past.

HCQ, now so 2020, yet Fauci’s own NIH documented it as: “a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread” way back in 2005.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/

Let’s not let IVM be the hill we die on.  It’s a valuable therapeutic, but is failing as a prophylactic.  There may well be other meds, better suited as a maintenance/prophylactic.

  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 01:46am

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    Bill in La Mesa

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Hi Tigger, & the IVMmeta studies are impressive indeed.  Most all were done before the Delta variant arrived, and even Dr Kory (our IVM guru) has expressed alarm about what he’s been seeing lately (see my quote from his tweet in posts above).

Dr Kory himself fell ill with a mild case of COVID, presumably while on an aggressive ivermectin prophylaxis protocol from his FLCCC.

I’m simply bringing to light, we may now need a double barreled shot gun, rather than relying on stand-alone IVM therapy.

I’ve gone “Back to the Future” with hydroxychloroquine as a valid maintenance prophylactic, with ivermectin as my ace in the hole if I fall ill.

HCQ’s pedigree ain’t too shabby either: https://hcqmeta.com/

  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 02:01am

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It’s been settled by real life useage + results. Over and over again when the prognosis was death IVM has pulled people back.  It benefits long haulers.  According to a thread on here it seems to benefit a ton of completely unrelated and random conditions.

Not the sole intervention you want to depend on but obviously helpful.

It will be a multi-year or maybe decade wait for the double blind, placebo controlled study that manages to get through the myriad of censors, especially given that Gates is expecting another pandemic on the way soon.

Like Vitamin D?

  • Tue, Sep 28, 2021 - 03:58am

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Shouldn’t the host get his terms rights? Total confusionas to whether IVM is a treatment for the virus (SARS-COV-2) or the disease (COVID19)….

5 days loading with just 200mg HCQ/day, then just 200mg once a week with zinc.

Hmm… how about 5 days long one six-pack Schweppes Bitter Tonic … and of course with Zinc  😉

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