Ivermectin

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  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 06:37pm

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    johnnybob

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    Ivermectin

I wish we could get honest debate around this subject instead of only hearing one sided view which you are supposed to believe unquestionably





  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 07:05pm

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    HillBicks

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    Ivermectin

Has anybody on the planet conducted a controlled, double blind, randomized study to end this once and for all? That would effectively prove or disprove all of this. The drug is cheap and safe with no long-term side effects that I’m aware of, and I’m sure that there would be no shortage of volunteers (both vaxxed and unvaxxed). If I had any power in gov’t I’d just throw money at this….couldn’t cost more than $10 million or so to get a large sample size given how cheap it is?

There are two possible outcomes: (1) Ivermectin is proven ineffective and many people stop taking it and developing a false sense of security, improving public health outcomes (2) Ivermectin is proven effective and can be used to improve public health outcomes.

(1) and (2) both improve public health outcomes ….seems like a lot of reward for little risk/expense?

  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 07:07pm

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    ericcaul

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    Ivermectin

I find it difficult to trust any information coming out of Australia anymore, let alone anyone in the media talking about Covid treatment. I am so sick of the propaganda!

  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 07:26pm

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    Bill in La Mesa

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    Faith in Ivermectin a bit shaken

My faith in IVM has been shaken a bit, since Dr Kory’s August 9 tweet: “I have experienced and am getting reports from FLCCC Alliance members that Delta variant patients crashing into ICU’s… are not showing responses to MATH+. We are demoralized and frightened. Early treatment is CRITICAL. Every household should take I-MASK+ upon first symptoms.”

Then Dr Kory up and came down with COVID himself (albeit a mild case).

The ever increasing doses prescribed by FLCCC are also a bit worrying.  Most of us know taking IVM with a fatty meal (recommended by FLCCC) increases absorption 2.5 times.  Virtually all IVM for human consumption is labeled to take on an empty stomach.  This would mean for me, @ 200 pounds, A 18mg dose, with a fatty meal would equal 45mg empty stomach dosing.  Taken twice per week (their new prophylaxis protocol) would be equal to 90mg/wk, or 360mg/month which is a bit spooky in my book.

The safety record for IVM is quite impressive, but I don’t know that anyone has studied the safety of 360mg/month for extended periods of time.

I’ve actually tipped back towards hydroxychloroquine lately.  Dr Zelenko & McCullough both have prophylaxis protocols, taking low dose HCQ with zinc, upping the dosage if you fall ill.

It seems like neither drug will reliably prevent infection.  My goal is to stay out of the hospital, & both drugs appear to help one to avoid this.  The HCQ prophylaxis protocol seems easier, & there is a long safety history of taking HCQ regularly long term.  Not so for high dose / continuous  IVM.

  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 07:36pm

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    Bill in La Mesa

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    Dr Zelenko HCQ prophylaxis protocol

Here’s Dr Zelenko’s HCQ prophylaxis protocol.

Prophylaxis Protocol

5 days loading with just 200mg HCQ/day, then just 200mg once a week with zinc.

Billy like!

  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 07:54pm

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    Mike from Jersey

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    Reply To: Ivermectin

I only watched about half that video and it was obviously a pure propaganda piece.

The same stupid endlessly repeated propaganda  – “only works in vitro,” is “only an anti-parasitic,” has “no anti-viral action” and so on. All of those nonsense arguments have been debunked on this site more times than I can count.

For me, the Ivermectin debate is over. It is a useful drug but not a wonder drug.

Some people it will help, some it won’t.

It is just like the vaccines; sometimes it will work, sometimes it won’t – only Ivermectin won’t kill or disable you.

  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 07:57pm   (Reply to #4)

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    Disco Bear

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    plasma half-life of Ivermectin is about 18 hours

Bill in La Mesa typed,

Taken twice per week (their new prophylaxis protocol) would be equal to 90mg/wk, or 360mg/month which is a bit spooky in my book.

Your method of summing up ivermectin doses over a month’s span would be accurate if ivermectin stayed in the body for a long time, but it doesn’t.

Ivermectin has a half-life of only 18 hours.

After about 72 hours, there is less than 7% remaining in the bloodstream.

Here is a portion of the product insert for Stromectol brand of ivermectin:

If you took one 325 mg aspirin every day, would you consider the monthly dose, which is 9,750 mg, to be spooky?  9,750 mg of aspirin is a whopping amount!  You probably wouldn’t even scare yourself by making the calculation because you instinctively realize that aspirin doesn’t stay in the body for very long.  The same is true for ivermectin.

  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 09:26pm

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Well, first, just because doing something “increases absorption 2.5x” doesn’t mean it magically makes 18mg taken into 45mg, it just makes your body to be able to more effectively absorb the 18mg taken.

Second, even if your math holds (it doesn’t), I failed to see why is 200mg/week, or 800mg/month of HCQ “safer” than 390mg/month of Ivermectin? (It also doesn’t proof the inverse – you just can’t compare the raw dose between two drugs to determine which is safer.)

  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 10:55pm

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    Ivermectin

Id say that Dr Kory only having a mild case would be an endorsement of ivermectin, not a fail. The point of it is not to stop you from getting it, but to reduce the symptoms.

  • Mon, Sep 27, 2021 - 11:49pm

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    AlvezPopinov

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    Ivermectin

 

Ivermectin being slammed. Don’t have an opinion on it myself. Not my bag

From Medium article:

“Now, the thing about ivermectin is that serious, genuine academics believed that it worked just a few months ago. As I discussed, real meta-analyses by very competent PhDs came out arguing that ivermectin had a huge benefit in the treatment of Covid-19 and should be adopted throughout the world.

People put on their metaphorical white coats, followed the mandated steps of the scientific methods, and came up with a conclusion that on face value appeared to be entirely correct.

They put together systematic reviews and meta-analyses where they collected all the evidence on ivermectin and Covid-19, and concluded that it was probably an effective treatment for the horrible infection.

Until the fraud was revealed, and we realized that it might all be complete nonsense.”

 

https://gidmk.medium.com/dealing-with-ivermectin-fraud-and-covid-19-efb74bb597fc

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