Ivermax for horses? Going into Cov19 Country.

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  • Sun, Jul 25, 2021 - 12:37pm

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    Stph

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    Ivermax for horses? Going into Cov19 Country.

I am a new, paid member.  I appreciate the information which has been presented here over the past year plus.

I expect to be flying out of country in the next week.  I have a good stock of many of the items suggested by FLACC, largely because of this site.

For Ivermectin, however, I was only able to secure “Ivermax equine paste dewormer” (apple flavored if you are curious).  Any suggestions on how to apportion it or other warnings/advice?  It says it is 1.87% ivermectin paste.  It also says “Contents will treat up to 1250 lb body weight.”

I don’t weigh quite that much…and I am not a horse.  If I take my body weight as close to 150 lbs and divide, it looks like the tube has 8.3 equal sized doses or so.  On the other hand, I’m inclined to use it for prophilaxis during the long plane flight.  So I probably need to consider prophilaxis use … and, presuming I catch (or think I have caught) Covid, early stage use.

I will also, try to be loaded with D, zinc, C, D, quercetin, and take along a Nettie pot.  Any other advice relating to these or other things I don’t currently have (e.g., benadryl, etc. would be appreciated.   Oh…not advised by FLACC, I don’t think, but someone recently advised nebulizer with hydrogen peroxide…is there any evidence for this?

I will likely post this as an expanded thread if I don’t get many responses here.

I’ve just about had enough; I am not vaccinated – but absolutely not anti-vax.  On the other hand, the mRNA “vaccines” couldn’t be technically called a vaccine at all UNTIL THEY CHANGED THE DEFINITION.  As I said, I am tired of having my life on hold for this thing and I am expecting to encounter SARS-Cov2 at some point, and I am well over 50 with type 1 diabetes but not overweight at all.  Any thoughtful advice is appreciated.   I may try to revise my will before I leave, but I am optimistic that if I confront this thing under intelligent terms I can throw it off quickly and get natural immunity as a bonus prize.

I also posted this thread in another category.   I said I would likely post it elsewhere with a little more content.

I am flying to S. America.  So, realistically, I have to expect my risk of catching this thing somewhere along the line is probably pretty high (how high?  Maybe 50%? Any other way to analyse the odds).   I expect to have to get a clean test pre-flight, but I am not sure that other countries will have the same pre-testing.  When I get to S. America I will try to get a more human-precise form of Ivermectin, but I can’t seem to secure that here in “land of the free”. Performing internet searches on how to use horse-friendly ivermectin only produces all manner of scary stories of “people” “poisoning” themselves with ivermectin (and cutting into industry profits).  I don’t know for sure what to make of that risk, but I am inclined to figure not much.  On the other hand, I guess there could be other ingredients in the tube of “Ivermax equine paste”, although I don’t see that.

Are there dosing differences between horses and humans on a “per pound” basis?  Any other concerns?

Any other helpful suggestions? I am a bit nervous, but I can’t tolerate keeping my life on hold any longer. And, yes, I AM looking for a second home, far away from “land of the free”.  I am ashamed to not do that.

  • Sun, Jul 25, 2021 - 01:30pm

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    Disco Bear

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    Ivermax for horses? Going into Cov19 Country.

Here is a topic on Peak Prosperity which discusses how to use the ivermectin horse paste –  https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/how-to-use-horse-past/

The reply I posted in that topic includes a link to a page with both a video on how to use the paste and information about ivermectin:

https://maximpulse.com/permethrin/ivermectin-calculating-a-dose.html

I’m not familiar with the Ivermax brand, but I found a link to it – https://www.firstcompanion.net/Products-items/IVERMAX-EQUINE-PASTE-DEWORMER .  Ivermax contains the identical amount of ivermectin and the identical amount of paste found in both Durvet and Merial Eqvalan.  There appears to be an industry-wide standardization of the product which makes it easier for horse owners to substitute one brand for another without having to constantly jockey dosages everytime they switch brands.

I would suggest you take a small sample on your first try to see whether you find the taste acceptable or terrible and also to test for any allergies you might have to the undisclosed ingredients (e.g. the articficial flavoring, coloring agents).  Wait a day or two before taking a full dose.  Possibly even try a sample before your trip.

I’ve been using the horse paste since early January and have no problems with it, nor have I noticed any side effects.

FLCCC, https://covid19criticalcare.com/ , recommends that ivermectin be taken with food when treating or prophylaxing for COVID-19, whereas when used against parasites the general recommendation is to treat on an empty stomach.

 

 

  • Sun, Jul 25, 2021 - 06:17pm

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    Louis Wu

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    Ivermax for horses? Going into Cov19 Country.

Not sure if it is the same “Ivermax”, but Section 6.1 from the linked document has a list of other ingredients:

  • Hydrogenated Castor Oil
  • Hydroxypropylcellulose
  • Titanium Dioxide (E171)
  • Propylene Glycol

https://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/productinformationdatabase/files/SPC_Documents/SPC_335833.PDF

  • Sun, Jul 25, 2021 - 06:38pm   (Reply to #2)

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    Ivermax for horses? Going into Cov19 Country.

Phenomenal!  Your response, alone, is worth 10X my first month of site dues!  I can’t thank you enough for the reassurance as someone who has already tried this.  I remember, with your mentioning it, that food is recommended.  Is this a case of fat helping the transport across the intestines into the bloodstream, or was that vitamin C?

  • Sun, Jul 25, 2021 - 07:13pm   (Reply to #2)

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    Ivermax for horses? Going into Cov19 Country.

Stph, You’re welcome!  I’m glad I could be of help.  It appears that fat does help absorption of ivermectin.  Here’s an image taken from https://maximpulse.com/permethrin/download/ivermectin_merck_info.pdf which is a link on  https://maximpulse.com/permethrin/ivermectin-calculating-a-dose.html .  Stromectrol is Merck’s brand name form of ivermectin, and this pdf information is for their human Stromectol pill.  I’ve highlighted the important sentence in yellow.

  • Sun, Jul 25, 2021 - 07:55pm

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Hi, it would be good if you could get your vit D hydroxy25 level tested before you go. You want to be above 40 ng/ ml, preferably higher. Then you can find out how much daily D3 to take. Go to grassroots.org for more info. You also need to take vit K2 with a D3 supplement.
Also, dandelion root tea is good to take along. Also matcha green tea, the ECGC is a zinc ionophore that lets cells absorb zinc better.
Where are you headed? Good luck.
Also, no coffee with horse paste.

  • Sun, Jul 25, 2021 - 08:33pm

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It’s fairly difficult to overdose with Vitamin D because of the non-linear response of blood level to dosage.  I’m going to quote myself from  https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/why-are-they-scared-of-vitamin-d/page/2/#post-615491 :

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4220998/ is a study with a title in need of a diet: “The Importance of Body Weight for the Dose Response Relationship of Oral Vitamin D Supplementation and Serum 25-Hydroxyvitamin D in Healthy Volunteers”

Hopefully when I try to paste Figure 1, it will appear correctly:

Figure 1:

The dose response relationship between oral vitamin D supplementation and serum 25(OH)D levels based on 22,214 observations of healthy volunteers.

Footnote: Bubbles represent the mean plasma 25(OH)D level for all reported daily doses. The size of the bubbles is proportional to the number of assessments for each of the reported daily doses. The red line represents the fitted dose response curve.

As you can see, the higher the dose of Vitamin D, the flatter the curve becomes.  The biggest gains are in the dosage range of 0 – 10,000 IU/day.  Someone taking 20,000 IU/day, which is not recommended, gains little increase in serum 25(OH)D level over a 10,000 IU/day dose despite it being double the amount of Vitamin D ingested.

  • Mon, Jul 26, 2021 - 01:47am   (Reply to #6)

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    Ivermax for horses? Going into Cov19 Country.

Kunga,

Can you please elaborate on the

“no coffee with horse paste” recommendation?

Is this for all sources of Ivermectin, or just a particular issue issue with the horse paste?

 

Thank you for sharing!

  • Mon, Jul 26, 2021 - 02:21am   (Reply to #6)

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    Bill in La Mesa

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    Ivermax for horses? Going into Cov19 Country.

Sorry I can’t find my source, but I read caffeine is metabolized through the same pathway as IVM, & therefore coffee/caffeine would “competitively inhibit” metabolism of IVM.

I didn’t see this as a bad thing, as I would like to see high blood levels of IVM persist, in theory increasing tissue absorption.

This said, I did take 12 IVM one day, with a big mac, followed briskly by a 20 oz black coffee, & did feel a bit strange (spacey) for a few hours after.  This was the only time I had any noticeable “side effect” from my IVM dosing.  It was a bit spooky at the time, but passed quite quickly, & I plan on dosing the same way in the future.

Don’t know if there might be some other reasons why IVM & coffee is a bad mix, but I’ve researched IVM physiology quite extensively and haven’t really seen this issue published.

Alcohol is another matter, & I’ve read it may be unwise to dose IVM with alcohol, as it may carry “some” IVM across the blood brain barrier, which you DO NOT want!

IVM has a half-life in blood of 18 hours, & I do tipple a bit in the evening.  Dosed my IVM with lunch, & never had a problem drinking after dinner, but may not be wise to wash your IVM down with gin.

  • Mon, Jul 26, 2021 - 06:59am

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You want to avoid caffeine because IVM will greatly accentuate it.  That might be a basis for taking IVM in the evening and limiting caffeine to the morning.

And you want to take IVM with some fatty food because it will improve absorption.  (Whereas when recommended for intestinal parasites you would take it on an empty stomach because you want it to remain as long as possible in your GI tract.)

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