Is the “data” changing? feel the need to update my risk reward

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  • Sat, Aug 14, 2021 - 07:09pm

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    wheresdavid

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    Is the “data” changing? feel the need to update my risk reward

Not trying to stir the pot, but it feels to me like the data is changing.  I said feels, and I don’t want to make a decision based on feelings.  The data out of the UK showed a sharp uptick in cases but not a big uptick in deaths.  In the US we’re seeing large upticks in cases and deaths in the South.  I know the deaths per cases is less than prior waves in the South but a lot higher than the death counts per case in the UK.  i’m sure the vaccination rate in the South vs the UK has something to do with this.

A friend of mine is a retired nurse from Louisiana.  I introduced her to Chris’ videos back in February of 2020.  She tried to warn her old colleagues but they told her it was just going to be the flu – and they were wrong.  Now they are telling her that it is the worse they’ve seen and the healthcare workers are reaching a breaking point.  They’ve told her that more young people are dying, and they’re dying fast –  I don’t feel that they are spreading fear porn, my friend is 77 and is fully vaccinated and they know that.  A friend of her’s is a Dr. and yesterday he wrote a letter to the President Biden, it reads … “I am a Physician in hammond La, I have multiple first hand accounts of young people dying from Covid recently, including a 26 year old and a 33 year old pregnant woman all unvaccinated.”  He said also that some vaccinated have died but they were over 70  years old and that all the people who died who were younger and unvaccinated.  He also said, ” Numerous people under 60 have died who had prior covid infection without vaccination.”  I’m not sure how many are numerous or what the health conditions were of the people who died.

Dr. Kory this week warned that ivermectin wasn’t working as well at the hospital level as it had with non Delta cases.  All this makes me think, is the data changing?  Is the “Delta variant” that is hitting the South more dangerous to me than the original Virus, or is it more like the UK variant that made a lot of people sick but wasn’t very lethal?

Does anyone have current data from the US showing if patients dying with covid who had no comorbidities are getting hit harder than in the other waves?  As well does anyone have data on the ages of the Covid deaths in this latest wave?

thanks in advance for your comments

  • Sat, Aug 14, 2021 - 08:31pm

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It is so hard to find detailed information about co-morbidities. I want to know if the kids who are dying or getting really sick are morbidly obese. Do you have any info from your friend about that?

  • Sat, Aug 14, 2021 - 09:40pm

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Good questions.  I hear the delta produces higher concentrations of the spike in people who are infected but not sure of in what cases but apparently both in vaccinated and those not.  I don’t like that spike nor want it in me.

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The problem is the that vaccinated people are walking around with extremely high levels of viral shed.  Most people with this much viral shed would not be walking around spreading it. (they would be sick at home)  It seems to besides the normal greater infinity for bonding to cells that delta has,  there is likely a higher level of inoculant.  in these people  from the vaccinated( the walking super spreaders )   I really would like to see a study showing the amount of inoculant in relation to illness severity.     This theory is a given, obviously, with bacteria,  the question is does it work much the same way with viruses?  My guess is yes,  it would make sense as both need to replicate  and replicate often and fast to do much harm.

  • Sat, Aug 14, 2021 - 11:45pm

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I’ve been wondering this too. I feel like this is another moment in time where I have the potential to be duped again. I’m not making any rash decisions and I’m trying to keep my stress down until things become more clear.

I was telling a loved one today, the only thing that could convince me to get the vaccine is if I were able to watch a live broadcast of a panel of experts on both sides debating the vaccine efficacy and safety. See, I’m a lay person that doesn’t quite understand all the science. What I do understand is logic and critical thinking. If I saw a debate between experts, then I’d feel more confident in my conclusions. If anyone is aware of such a debate, please let me know.

  • Sun, Aug 15, 2021 - 09:02am   (Reply to #5)

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Here is the debate against.

I don’t know why you need to see a debate for the vaccines — the mainstream media only has that 24/7.

https://inoneplace.com/thewatch/item/a7VKK4WS0hA1874

Regarding the other issue, I wonder if what the southern US is undergoing really is the delta variant or not. Sand_Puppy has earlier said that the hospitals are not testing for what variant it is.

  • Sun, Aug 15, 2021 - 09:12am

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Reading Rainbow

I am in the same boat as you and feel like all our smart people have lost their minds. I found debate sort of. Weinstein,Kory, Lawrie,and others vs Haris Topol,Degin ,Graham, and others. It started out all well but has gotten rather ugly. David Fuller of Rebel Wisdom engaged in a project with Better Skeptics (commonly referred to as BS)which seems to have done exactly the opposite of its intention. Here is an article as a result and another by fuller that is more in depth. Its more of folks trying to pick up the pieces but still has given me pause and new names have appeared on my radar to look to.

  • Sun, Aug 15, 2021 - 11:54am   (Reply to #7)

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The Areo piece is curiously blind to the reason intelligent people seek out alternative media – it is precisely because the mainstream outlets don’t ask obvious questions.  He admits mainstream is subject to groupthink but asserts the alternative is at even more risk for that. Then chastises Dark Horse for agreeing with their guests too much:

” Ideally, hosts should themselves look for information that contradicts their pre-existing assumptions, do that research before hosting a guest, and raise potential objections to the guest’s claims in the interview itself.”

Um, yes, I would look to see such hosts.  Which mainstream outlets have them?  Over the last year there has been a  whole host of questions in open letters to Fauci, NIH, CDC, FDA and these have been simply ignored.

The longer Rebel Wisdom article involved obvious effort (by how many people one wonders) and counter-arguments and counter-counter-arguments could be made.  But it is not worth the effort,  media will champion minor victories of mainstream while ignoring any success of the alternates.

I think the most productive path to take here is accept the valid Aero points and hold BOTH sides to the same standard.  FLCCC vs CDC experts on the same stage, moderated by someone objective, would be a good start.

 

  • Sun, Aug 15, 2021 - 12:22pm

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    What is always left unsaid…

“I am a Physician in hammond La, I have multiple first hand accounts of young people dying from Covid recently, including a 26 year old and a 33 year old pregnant woman all unvaccinated.” He said also that some vaccinated have died but they were over 70 years old and that all the people who died who were younger and unvaccinated. He also said, ” Numerous people under 60 have died who had prior covid infection without vaccination.”

If these events really happened, they almost certainly could have been, and SHOULD have been avoided via early treatment.  We have numerous useful treatments that can and should be used.. IVM, large doses of Vitamin D or it’s metabolite colecalciferol, melatonin, monoclonal antibodies, etc., etc.  The vast majority of these people dying from “Covid-19” in hospitals are not dying because they are unvaccinated.. they are dying because they are being denied treatment.

  • Sun, Aug 15, 2021 - 12:26pm   (Reply to #7)

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Phred I agree

 

Fuller is failing. His argument aginst ADE seems flawed but i am not sure I grasp it correctly. My gut says the vaccinated could cause it but also the other side about the numbers  of  infections in the unvaccinated could as well. No where does anyone mention the vacinated are carriers as well. It leaves me confused. I think his feelings are so hurt he can not make a fair argument but he is the best I have found so far. I would love to be pointed towards someone else.

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