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  • Fri, Nov 19, 2010 - 07:05pm

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    Re: Is medical school worth it?

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Do you think there is enough time, 6+ years,  to actually go from a student to a doctor?

I appreciate the replies thus far, and I know that people will always be sick and/or injured.

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I would offer that the real question is “Do YOU think there is enough time?”  Make your decision based on when you think things are going to unravel.  All the responses above have great points, but it ultimately comes down to your specific situation and your plan based on when you think things are going to happen.  FWIW, I think 6 years is is enough time.

Right now I am trying to figure out what to do with my Montgomery GI Bill eligibility.  Do I go back for a year and a half to get another Master’s?  (Engineering Management) or do I target something that I think will be more useful if things start to fall apart?

Old Dominion University has a 2 year Nursing program that has my interest piqued.  I’m pretty sure that kind of knowledge will always have value.

  • Sat, Nov 20, 2010 - 01:58am

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I would not spend my time in learning medicine where the whole medical science theories are based on frauds up to now. You learn to kill people instead of healing them thoug you will get told different. You learn that to heal is impossible, though medical industrial sector outdraws any alternate truthfinding science that proofs the opposite! In the US its evne hard to find any alternate medical practitioneers, industry is outdrawing them with the help of your government, to make the pharma even richer. Sure everything is intended for all your best.

This hughe medical fraud will be revealed to mainstream when we overcome our monetary system! The medical industrial sector has killed more people than holocaust, and they make us believe that we need them through the means of scaremongering!

I know people wont beliefe this, and even if i present them facts they even more rely on their beliefs. I dont want to go into depth here cause it doesnt really belong here, but if you are interested you should search for Dr. Stefan Lanka, and research the matter on your own.

And this is pretty important, to gain awareness of that, cause its about your health!

PS: People like to criticize Lanka on the basis of belief, they criticize well he has another believe than we do. But in fact he ask for scientifical proofs where there have never been presented any. And by doing this he exploits the fraud….anyway big story!

Hope you choose the right option, wish you all the best!

 

  • Sat, Nov 20, 2010 - 02:11am

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 If you look at even primitive society, the medicine men/women rank right up there with the chiefs. 

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Thats the problem with medicical science, its more of an institution that fights for their Rationale like the church in middle ages had to, than is interested in truthfinding processes.

 

as Goethe already found out:

(“Here was the medicine, the patients died and nobody asked who recovered, thus we have ravaged with infernal electuaries, in these valleys, these mountains, much worse than the pest, I myself have given the poison to thousands, they withered away, I must experience that the unabashed murderers are being praised.”) <- its the same to day, nothing has changed!

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  • Sat, Nov 20, 2010 - 02:29am

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If you don’t plan on getting married and you are willing to sacrifice for others go for it. Don’t do it for the $$$ that game is over.

  • Sat, Nov 20, 2010 - 03:33am

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Crushing debt could be a major issue since student loans cannot be discharged in a bankruptcy. (Doctors used to be the biggest abusers in that area since they would still have jobs and could rebuild credit very quickly.) There is also a large number of doctors in the U.S. and both Medicare and the insurance industry are getting tougher with payments each year. However, I suspect employment prospects will remain more excellent than in most any other field, no matter how bad the economy gets – meaning she’ll likely have steady income to pay off those loans, and there are some programs that allow for debt forgiveness for public service.

I am no seer. However, I subscribe to John Michael Greer’s (The Long Descent) suggestion that there will be a series of crises, each followed by time to barely catch a collective breath before the next crisis, but not a total and instantaneous collapse. The timeline he talks about is one of decades. Peak oil is not peak collapse. So likely she would have time to get that degree, do her internship, do her residency, and then get started with really paying off those massive loans. The earlier she can lock in a low rate, the better, as it is very likely possible that rates will increase over time if there is inflation. Besides, if things truly collapse within 6 years, she might not even have to pay off those loans! 😛

I would suggest while learning to also keep in mind low-tech diagnosis and treatment methods used in Third World countries, rural areas, and in the last century; wound care (gunshots, knifes, blunt trauma); and obstetrics. If not medical school and six years, then consider being a Physician’s Assistant (cheaper degree, better hours, decent pay),  emergency paramedic, ER nurse, nurse practitioner, certified nurse midwife – all offer fewer years, less debt, and yet practical skills that will take her far.

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  • Sat, Nov 20, 2010 - 04:17am

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While i would rather large animal vet. medicine. there is NO greater worth than knowledge!

 

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  • Sat, Nov 20, 2010 - 12:44pm

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As a physician myself, I can say there are lots of reasons to not go into medicine. Dealing with increasing government regulations is a huge problem. Whiny demanding patients are another (in what other field to people firmly believe that they should not have to pay for the service your provide?) There is lots wrong with the infrastructure of medicine itself. 

That said, as another poster correctly pointed out, doctors have always been able to make a living. If society completely falls apart, you could still barter your services for things you need. If you wait tables…not so much. 

Personally, I don’t think things will fall apart to the point where society won’t function (ie “Mad Max”) soon. You’d have time to do 4 years of medical school plus 3 or more years of residency (no residency is less than 3 years). If she still wants to do it, no reason not to. BUT i would be VERY careful about incurring any more debt. I believe that the greater risk to your future is having a six figure student loan debt that cannot be discharged under any circumstances- this is much greater than the risk that society will fall apart before training is finished. In light of your concerns, I would live ridiculosly frugally during med school and residency- and attend the least expensive medical school possible- in order to lessen the debt burden.

A good blog for issues in medicine, especially debt is here: http://medicinesux.wordpress.com/&nbsp;

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I was thinking about dental school.  Including the prereqs, it would take me until spring of 2017 to finish if I start in spring 2011.  And there would be over 155,000 in debt.  Given the coming collapse, I’ve decided not to do it.  It’s too bad.  I finally discovered what I wanted to do with my life, and it’s too late to pursue it.

 

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I was thinking about dental school.  Including the prereqs, it would take me until spring of 2017 to finish if I start in spring 2011.  And there would be over 155,000 in debt.  Given the coming collapse, I’ve decided not to do it.  It’s too bad.  I finally discovered what I wanted to do with my life, and it’s too late to pursue it.

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It’s never too late. 

If you have discovered what you really want to do with your life – do it.  The “coming collapse” isn’t a given.  At least not in the sense that any of us know when it will happen and how bad it will be.

Don’t let the fear of the uncertain rule your life and keep you from pursuing your dream of becoming a dentist.  Instead let it guide your efforts into a razor sharp focus to achieve your dream.

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Seems to me that even if one is unable to finish 6+ years of school/residency/etc. — say a total collapse happens in 4 years — one will have whatever skills one has if/when SHTF before final certification as an official doc/dentist/vet.  Would my community turn away somebody that wanted to join because they only had X% of their med school completed?  Negative!  My wife & I have a friend that is a nurse and I keep telling her that if SHTF to come find us immediately — we’ll take her skills and figure out all the rest (food/shelter/etc.) for her as we go.  And if I had unlimited fundage I’d be building a community clinic or small hospital or emergency medical services center and attempting to recruit a CC-aware G.P. as of yesterday.

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